Subject: Re: Lisp is alive From: Erik Naggum <email@example.com> Date: 1996/10/01 Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> [Cyber Surfer] | Ahh, elistism. You're the problem. Why is Lisp not more successful? | Because you're don't care about that. That's _such_ a cheap argument. I can only hope you don't mean it. First, I don't control the Lisp world in any way, and I have no expectation or even desire to have any impact on the mass market for _anything_. I don't care about it, remember? I mean that _literally_. Second, elitism is rejection of the masses. I don't reject the _masses_. I reject the mass marketing techniques employed to affect them -- a very big difference. I also reject the products marketed by such fraudulent means as is used in the software world for PCs. Just as I thought "there _must_ be a better way" for years while I was finding small ways to write better programs in C until I could write them in Lisp and transcend it all, "there _must_ be a better way" to affect programmers than to hit them with the same kind of shit that sells the current generation of languages and tools, indeed which makes them the only viable solutions in certain settings, as you have pointed out repeatedly. In brief: we can't win by engaging in mass marketing techniques on their premises. We haven't in the past, and we won't in the future. We must do something entirely different. What? If I knew, I'd already have done it. #\Erik -- I could tell you, but then I would have to reboot you.