Subject: Re: I don't understand Lisp From: Erik Naggum <email@example.com> Date: 1998/09/16 Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> * Jeff Dalton <email@example.com> | Did you mean to say "Scheme is not a dialect of Lisp" rather than "not a | dialect of Common Lisp"? In any case, it's unlikely that anyone has ever | claimed Scheme was a dialect of Common Lisp. but what _is_ the Lisp that both Scheme and Common Lisp are dialects of? if there is no such thing (and I don't think there is, anymore, although there might well have been in the distant past), then it is not useful to talk about it. "dialect" is not a mark of independent quality in my view and there's a weird interaction between "dialect of Lisp" and the effect the mark has on various languages that claim it: one language may try to capitalize on the work of another ("we're _all_ dialects"), yet it may be used to reduce the value of the work of another at the same time ("we're all _merely_ dialects"). * Erik Naggum <firstname.lastname@example.org> | some Lispers (well, at least one, but he's also a Schemer) will insist | very strongly that Common Lisp is not the only Lisp to consider. * Jeff Dalton <email@example.com> | Well, I'll certainly insist that Common Lisp is not the only Lisp. the two words "to consider" is essential to what I wrote above. I know that you go ballistic every time somebody forgets to mention the myriads of other Lisps that you want us to remember, and that's why I attempted to be very specific. I'm annoyed that you appear to continue unimpeded with your standard rhetoric. | So, all things considered, the "dialect of Lisp" way of talking is | probably more trouble than it's worth. I agree, including your argumentation. #:Erik -- http://www.naggum.no/spam.html is about my spam protection scheme and how to guarantee that you reach me. in brief: if you reply to a news article of mine, be sure to include an In-Reply-To or References header with the message-ID of that message in it. otherwise, you need to read that page.