Subject: Re: Promoting Lisp
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: 1998/11/03
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Message-ID: <>

* "rusty craine" <>
| Not entering the unix vs windows debate, but my customers are asking for
| windows applications.

  that's no excuse for having programmers _grow up_ on Windowized IDE's.
  most of the time, you need the experience of what was once hard in order
  to understand why what is now easy is the way it is and why it is good
  for _some_ parts of the work (and which parts).  if you grow up in a too
  easy environment, you never get to appreciate why some tasks are hard
  only because somebody else didn't make _those_ tasks easy for you.

  I think a fitting analogy is to remember that keeping airplanes in the
  air and on schedule is no small feet, and that the more you are going to
  work with them, the less simple it becomes.  in contrast, imagine if the
  ground crew had been brought up thinking their job was all about being
  served complimentary drinks from beautiful women all day.  that's what I
  think Windowized IDE's do to programmers in their formative years.

  The Microsoft Dating Program -- where do you want to crash tonight?