Subject: Re: Access the the second return value? From: Erik Naggum <email@example.com> Date: 2000/06/28 Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> * Johan Kullstam <email@example.com> | except for CLOS which affixes -p no matter what. Um, where does CLOS do that? | which is your (and probably the majority's) opinion. it's also | somewhat of what you are used to. changes are usually unwelcome. | gratuitous change more so. Well, I have made it the biggest issue of my life and carreer to be able to sustain dramatic changes with a minimum of personal cost. This has certain costs of its own, which would be unwelcome to people who prefer _most_ things to be practically static in their life, but staying on top requires so much adaptability to change that I consider "changes are usually unwelcome" to be a dumb thing to say in our time. 10 years ago, it would make much more sense as a general statement for our part of the culture, but the world has, well, changed a lot in 10 years, and sticking to old stuff is the hallmark of unemployed or retired IT specialists. The morale of this gripe is simply: Don't assume that people are so unable to deal with change that they will use it as an argument against anything. Chances are that anyone who makes a reasonably good living in information technology these days have to deal with a rate of change that would probably drive someone literally insane in the 70's. Incidentally, I recommend Alvin Toffler: Future Shock to anyone who think adapting to change is too expensive. Oh, and as an irrelevant side-note: The the kinds of things that _don't_ change bug me the most. Stupidity, for instance. #:Erik -- If this is not what you expected, please alter your expectations.