Subject: Re: Access the the second return value?
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: 2000/06/28
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Message-ID: <>

* Johan Kullstam <>
| except for CLOS which affixes -p no matter what.

  Um, where does CLOS do that?

| which is your (and probably the majority's) opinion.  it's also
| somewhat of what you are used to.  changes are usually unwelcome.
| gratuitous change more so.

  Well, I have made it the biggest issue of my life and carreer to be
  able to sustain dramatic changes with a minimum of personal cost.
  This has certain costs of its own, which would be unwelcome to
  people who prefer _most_ things to be practically static in their
  life, but staying on top requires so much adaptability to change
  that I consider "changes are usually unwelcome" to be a dumb thing
  to say in our time.  10 years ago, it would make much more sense as
  a general statement for our part of the culture, but the world has,
  well, changed a lot in 10 years, and sticking to old stuff is the
  hallmark of unemployed or retired IT specialists.  The morale of
  this gripe is simply: Don't assume that people are so unable to deal
  with change that they will use it as an argument against anything.
  Chances are that anyone who makes a reasonably good living in
  information technology these days have to deal with a rate of change
  that would probably drive someone literally insane in the 70's.

  Incidentally, I recommend Alvin Toffler: Future Shock to anyone who
  think adapting to change is too expensive.

  Oh, and as an irrelevant side-note: The the kinds of things that
  _don't_ change bug me the most.  Stupidity, for instance.

  If this is not what you expected, please alter your expectations.