Subject: Re: Access the the second return value?
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: 2000/06/28
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
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* Johan Kullstam <>
| i think i'm intentionally not caring what the "!" convention means in
| scheme or dylan.  some lisp operations end in an "f", e.g., SETF, INCF.
| one could have spelled it SET! and INC! respectively.  it seems most
| people here prefer the traditional way.  so be it.

  No.  They would be probably spelled SETF! and INCF!, since the F has
  nothing at all to do with mutating anything, it has to do with what
  is being accessed (and mutated).  Please understand this and quit
  that annoying noise about the suffix F.  It's dead wrong.  Repeating
  it so annoyingly often means you don't listen, and that very likely
  means your other notions are not based on listening, either, which
  is a very nice way of saying that they are your own inventions.

  If this is not what you expected, please alter your expectations.