Subject: Re: C# is not Dylan (was: Re: C# : The new language from M$)
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: 2000/07/02
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.dylan
Message-ID: <>

* Eric Gouriou <>
| [Some character attack on Scott McKay] 

  Really?  Well, this just goes to show some people can't read
  anything eyond what they already believe in.

| Please keep your comments to yourself if you cannot manage a minimal
| level of civility.

  Sure, I'll make sure to ask you every time I conclude that I do, and
  you probably don't.

| These are not advocacy newsgroups and your flames are uncalled for.

  And here I was thinking that what I replied to was a nasty attack,
  but, hey, this just goes to show that some people will excuse juat
  about anything if it comes from one of their own.

| I tried to make this point privately and politely a few hours ago,
| but my mail bounced. Either there was a technical problem or the
| mail address you provide when posting is invalid.

  And this shows me that you aren't interested in being helpful or
  constructive.   _Any_ programmer knows that having some user draw
  his own conclusions about what might be the problem is useless; the
  _only_ useful thing to do is to report the problem _accurately_, and
  since you don't do that with something so simple as an error message
  from SMTP (I got a useful message from somebody else who experienced
  the same problem), there's now _some_ reason not to trust whatever
  else you conclude, too.

| For the record, I do not remember any post from Scott McKay where
| he failed to be professional and helpful.

  Probably true, but I didn't respond to your memory.  I responded to
  an actual message from Scott McKay where he acts incredibly insulted
  and retorts in worse kind.  Most people are nice when they are safe
  and not challenged in any way.  What's important is what it takes to
  make them feel unsafe or challenged and what they do then.  Many
  people are nice only because they suppress feelings of being unsafe
  or challenged, and then they turn into veritable psychopaths when
  they feel they have a "right" to cease being nice, such as when they
  feel that empathy can be withheld.  Don't be misled by someone's
  history as being nice once they are being pushed -- Scott McKay has
  obviously never had to defend Dylan and its syntax before, and he
  turned into a nutcase as soon as he had to.  _That's_ important.

| I was expecting at least as much from a Lisp advocate - due to the
| respect I have for Lisp and its users.

  I'm not responsible for your desire to think in group terms.

  If this is not what you expected, please alter your expectations.