Subject: Re: On comparing apples and oranges (was: Q: on hashes and counting)
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: 2000/10/24
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Message-ID: <>

* (Xenophon Fenderson the Carbon(d)ated)
| >>>>> "Erik" == Erik Naggum <> writes:
|     Erik>   There are people who have to design their own alphabets or
|     Erik> spellings in order to feel able to express themselves, but I
|     Erik> think we label them "insane" rather than applaud them as
|     Erik> "language designers".
| I was going to mention two authors now (Tolkein and Le Guin), but I'm
| afraid of tripping on a corollary to Godwin's Law.  :)

  I wrote.  Authors like Tolkien (spelling!) and Le Guin have
  obviously been able to express themselves in an existing language
  without inventing any new languages first.  And what was Tengwar?
  It was not the language Tolkien used to write his stories, was it?
  It was part of the story and the very rich and complete world he

  Sometimes I wonder if some of the people who respond to me with some
  idiotic counter-example that isn't are actually devoid of a working
  brain and not just so lazy it looks like they are.  What does it
  take for those of you who lack the ability to think or habitually
  seek ways to avoid it, to grasp something that you do not already
  agree with?  Communicating thoughts to you sure is a waste of time
  when your first inclination is to destroy your ability to understand
  what people are telling you by responding with idiocy.

  I have read about how people can get into this mental state where
  input from the outside world must be blocked before it can be
  processed.  It happens when they have been exposed to something so
  frightening and painful their brain has ceased working as a sort of
  self defense.  This is supposed to happen in real life to have that
  effect, because it must happen under uncontrollable conditions and
  progress far beyond the point where brain has said STOP!, so no
  cases have been reported that _read_ themselves into this state, and
  obviously so, because one would have to read and comprehend beyond
  that stop signal.  So how come you behave the same way to something
  you read?  If it is not voluntary brain shutdown, what is it?

  Why are new thoughts to fantastically frightening to some of you
  that you react as if the world were to collapse if you made the
  little effort it takes to consider a contrary opinion or even fact
  at least enough to counter it with a _real_ counter-example?

  Why is it so fantastically important to some of you to reduce
  everything that you do not understand or agree with to silly jokes
  so there is no hope of ever understanding anything new?  That kind
  of "humor" as a self-defense mechanism is also pathological.

  Granted that you are able to read a programming language newsgroup,
  I believe that there is no excuse whatsoever to be so intellectually
  lazy as some of you guys habitually are, and it certainly is no
  accident (like blaming alcohol for a low-quality posting -- how low
  is _that_?) which means you are here to post your drivel on purpose
  and that your intention, to whatever extent you can express intent,
  is to reduce the newsgroup to the level at which you are comfortable
  -- meaning: whatever the intellectually comatose can deal with.  You
  have a TV set to watch if you want that, OK?  You do not need the
  Net if you are looking for one-way idiotic "humor" -- you'll feel
  better with the canned laughter instead of laughing alone, too.  If
  you think you have out-grown Jerry Springer or Ricky Lake, please
  try them again and leave the newsgroup alone.

  Do something that fits your inellectual level, Xenophon Fenderson
  the Carbon(d)ated.  Your posting under that label means I have no
  idea what could possibly be your level, but I'd recommend one of the
  k12 groups.  I'm sure they would have even more fun with your "name"
  than you have.

  I agree with everything you say, but I would
  attack to death your right to say it.
				-- Tom Stoppard