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Path: supernews.google.com!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!uio.no!Norway.EU.net!127.0.0.1!nobody From: Erik Naggum Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Subject: Re: the naggum-mine claims another victim Date: 12 Dec 2000 19:05:57 +0000 Organization: Naggum Software; vox: +47 800 35477; gsm: +47 93 256 360; fax: +47 93 270 868; http://naggum.no; http://naggum.net Lines: 92 Message-ID: <3185636757304366@naggum.net> References: <3184181620609081@naggum.net> <3184225976178683@naggum.net> <3184273110399884@naggum.net> <3184410282846018@naggum.net> <900nor$af$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3184438297633725@naggum.net> <901p7c$tka$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3185587729373689@naggum.net> <3185623340565981@naggum.net> <87y9xlechn.fsf@forager.swarm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: oslo-nntp.eunet.no 976648622 14829 195.0.192.66 (12 Dec 2000 19:17:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@eunet.no NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Dec 2000 19:17:02 GMT mail-copies-to: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.0803 (Gnus v5.8.3) Emacs/20.7 Xref: supernews.google.com comp.lang.lisp:5127 * Marcus G. Daniels | We'd have to know the number of lurkers and the makeup of the lurkers | before we could say anything very meaningful about the effects of your | reactions. A Erik-filtered subset of self-selected individuals would | explain a few new participants, but it doesn't tell us about who | leaves before jumping in to the mix. We can perhaps use the data on how many rational and smart people leave when they see that a newsgroup is about the Marcus G. Daniels fan club ganging up on and beating a noted and long-term contributor to death for weeks and months and years on end because they don't like some part of his style. _I_ get mail from Lispers world-wide, too, and while I think referring to personal mail is indecent in a public forum, I can relate that some don't post because they are afraid to be pegged as "members of the Naggum fan club" by such fucking evil-doers as _your_ fan club simply because they happen to enjoy how I help them use and understand Common Lisp. I thrive on eyes that shine up with that sign of understanding that you see in bright children who have struggled to figure out some hard problem. Nothing give me more personal pleasure than to make a difficult connection that simplifies something, be it for myself or someone else. I don't know what you thrive on, but I have a guess: Vanquishing that sign of intelligence and enjoyment of one's ability to master problems. Many people of just-above-average intelligence think high intelligence is phenomenally scary. Example: rec.org.mensa is a fantastic display of morons throwing rocks at people they hate simply because they are more intelligent than the stupid stone-throwers, and that really doesn't take a lot, does it? Some of those rock-throwing morons are just as periodic and persistent as our local Marcus G. Danielses. All over the media, we find people who are scared shitless of letting "experts" make decisions, probably because they cannot follow their reasoning, and who spend all their energy on denouncing experts as such. You, Marcus, make so many stupid simplifications and retarded short-circuited conclusions that all you have left is a moronic complaint that I say some "utterly misguided and wrong" things sometimes. Let me guess: You are so _average_ in intelligence and intellectual powers that you would't even know it if you did, or you never have any ideas advanced and complex enough that _anybody_ would disagree with you, hence you think having different ideas than yourself is relevant to judging people's thinking ability. Well, moron, you're wrong. I really hope nobody here believe for a minute that I would keep going and help people and discuss and promote Common Lisp with all sorts of people, even those who have been stupid and evil in the past, if _all_ I met in this forum were the likes of you and your fan club, Marcus G. Daniels. You're a cost that I have simply become used to, like taxes. To see a bright person understand something means suffering a Raffael Cavallaro. To solve a really hard problem costs an Israel Thomas. To explain something that involves difficult prioritation and scheduling of resources costs a Tom Breton. To point out that somebody has made up his mind that something is complex because he doesn't think in the right terms costs five snide remarks from Marcus G. Daniels. I still make a windfall profit, emotionally, from seeing people understand. It's like caring for a sick cat (or baby), who pukes and shits and urinates without control for several days (or years for the babies :) because you know you have a very loving companion when it's over. The morons who abuse this forum the way you condone, encourage, and instigate them to do are _irrelevant_ to how I feel at the end of the day if I get but a single e-mail or a followup saying that somebody understood something or solved a problem. If the evil and stupidity in this world, and yours in particular mattered to me, personally, I cannot imagine how I would have the energy to keep going for so long. You, Marcus G. Daniels, are as irrelevant as a dog turd in a beautiful park on a sunny day. That you follow me around and insist on stinking like hell is a fucking nuisance, to be forgotten like all other evil and stupidity in this world as soon as you go away. That you don't quit betrays a level of destructiveness on your part that I really do hope you get shot and killed for some day, but only because it doesn't seem possible to clean up this park without the death of the dogs who has been trained to shit in it. You do not understand your own role, but you do not in fact contribute anything but hostility and destructiveness, and that means that your energy must come from a pure desire to destroy. Nobody could keep going like you do and have on _constructive_ energy. All that talk about "cults" also tells me that you are on a mission from a deity of limited powers and insight to destroy a competing religion. So I boil you down to stupid envy of intelligence, combined with a thoroughly evil religious motivation to destroy what you covet and know you can never have: Enjoyment from understanding anything truly complex. #:Erik -- "When you are having a bad day and it seems like everybody is trying to piss you off, remember that it takes 42 muscles to produce a frown, but only 4 muscles to work the trigger of a good sniper rifle." -- Unknown