From ... Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!npeer.kpnqwest.net!nreader1.kpnqwest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.sources,comp.lang.lisp Subject: Re: franz: eli interface keybindings modified. References: <86elt8oaje.fsf@raw.grenland.fast.no> Mail-Copies-To: never From: Erik Naggum Message-ID: <3200113931582632@naggum.net> Organization: Naggum Software, Oslo, Norway Lines: 26 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 08:32:14 GMT X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@Norway.EU.net X-Trace: nreader1.kpnqwest.net 991125134 193.71.66.150 (Tue, 29 May 2001 10:32:14 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:32:14 MET DST Xref: archiver1.google.com gnu.emacs.sources:842 comp.lang.lisp:10875 * Raymond Wiker > C-z may be a better choice - that's what ilisp uses, nowadays. I don't > think there's much need for the historical binding for C-z, anymore :-) FWIW, C-z runs the command iconify-or-deiconify-frame under X11. I use C-z for job control when I work in xterms all the time. I also muse M-m, which GNUS usurped for MML-mode stuff. I mention that only to point out that you should not mess with such keybindings. I find the use of C-c to be tremendously annoying when Emacs Lisp functions bound to M-x (for various values of x, not literal x) are obviously useless in Common Lisp buffers. E.g., use M-n and M-p instead of C-c C-n and C-c C-p in ELI for the Common Lisp interaction buffers. Incidentally, only C-c a, where a is a _letter_, are reserved for the user. C-c C-a, where a is a letter, are reserved for modes. Some users think that C-c is theirs for the taking, but this is a user error that is best solved by reading and understanding the documentation. Modern keyboards can easily be made to support all of Meta, Alt, Hyper, and Super, so there is absolutely no need to invade the normal keybinding space if you want to make serious changes. $:Erik -- Travel is a meat thing.