From ... Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!134.222.94.5!npeer.kpnqwest.net!nreader2.kpnqwest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Subject: Re: Promoting CL Was: What I want from my Common Lisp vendor and the Common Lisp community References: <3208226254834485@naggum.net> <867kvke4iz.fsf@gondolin.local.net> <3208254606019619@naggum.net> <1f4c5c5c.0108311044.2399e124@posting.google.com> <1f4c5c5c.0108312034.1b1e140a@posting.google.com> <1f4c5c5c.0109011022.72a56a2b@posting.google.com> <1f4c5c5c.0109012324.43d24c7@posting.google.com> <3208404998010473@naggum.net> <87itf1a2fh.fsf_-_@piracy.red-bean.com> <99fb3972.0109021504.bba92d0@posting.google.com> <3208475381413624@naggum.net> <3208495354884218@naggum.net> <3208515900839780@naggum.net> <86g0a3qlio.fsf@gondolin.local.net> Mail-Copies-To: never From: Erik Naggum Message-ID: <3208608593527712@naggum.net> Organization: Naggum Software, Oslo, Norway Lines: 23 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 16:09:55 GMT X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@Norway.EU.net X-Trace: nreader2.kpnqwest.net 999619795 193.71.66.49 (Tue, 04 Sep 2001 18:09:55 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 18:09:55 MET DST Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.lisp:15586 * John Foderaro > Does the posting of this one message show that I'm trying to start a > revolution and overthrow the standard? Did I say anywhere that my plan > is to force a change in the standard so that today's conforming programs > no longer work? You have very strongly indicated that you want today's common knowledge of how to write code in the language to become invalid. This means that people who want to write Common Lisp code will find that they have to make up their mind whether they agree with your silly if* stunt _and_ avoid if/when/unless or want to write standard Common Lisp and be able to discuss their code with others who write standard Common Lisp. This is undermining the standing of the standard, so yes, you have shown that you are trying to start a revolution and overthrow the standard, starting not with programs that no longer work, but with programmers that no longer use the standard, and that revolution has apparently already started at Franz Inc. from what you are "clarifying" about your disclaimer. This is the wider ramifications to which I have been objecting all along, and you are probably the only person in this thread who have failed to understand that this is _not_ about your macro or your flaws, but about the much wider ramifications of both your insulting language and your actions. ///