From ... Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news2.kpn.net!news.kpn.net!nslave.kpnqwest.net!nloc.kpnqwest.net!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!nreader2.kpnqwest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Subject: Re: Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Encyclopedia References: <3213041760976232@naggum.net> <9rmiep$gm2$1@news3.cadvision.com> <3BDF001C.43133DA7@nyc.rr.com> <6yDD7.26$hi1.455@burlma1-snr2> Mail-Copies-To: never From: Erik Naggum Message-ID: <3213606216159676@naggum.net> Organization: Naggum Software, Oslo, Norway Lines: 30 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 12:23:38 GMT X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@Norway.EU.net X-Trace: nreader2.kpnqwest.net 1004617418 193.71.66.49 (Thu, 01 Nov 2001 13:23:38 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 13:23:38 MET Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.lisp:18976 * Thomas F. Burdick -> Espen Vestre | Got it, so you're saying you're ignorant of a language which is very | difficult to fully understand, and you're taking other people's word | on it that it's not that powerful or expressive. What he actually _said_ was that he took the pattern literature as evidence of its lack of strength and expressiveness. I happen to agree that the need for patterns shows a significant weakness in C++. | Since you seem to be in the business of taking people on their word, | maybe you should take me on mine and doubt the ability of the doubters | to fully use C++. I tend to believe that the patterns people he actually referred to are not doubters, but people who try to make using C++ easier for people. | Some of these "highly skilled" C++ people *would* fully understand CL if | they put the same amount of effort into it, but C++ takes a lot more. Hence my saying: Life is too long to be good at C++. But is a language really expressive if it takes a lifetime to become fluent in it? Is not "expressiveness" a function of the invested effort required to achieve something? /// -- Norway is now run by a priest from the fundamentalist Christian People's Party, the fifth largest party representing one eighth of the electorate. -- Carrying a Swiss Army pocket knife in Oslo, Norway, is a criminal offense.