Subject: Re: MD5 in LISP and abstraction inversions From: Erik Naggum <email@example.com> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 16:02:03 GMT Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> * Juliusz Chroboczek | The problem (I find) is with nice people who submit code for inclusion | in a future version, and get offended when you refuse on stylistic grounds. Well, try submitting something that uses standard if, when, unless, or loop, to people who believe in a certain "Lisp Coding Standard" document and get chided for using standard Common Lisp. It is certainly rejection on stylistic grounds, but so irrational that future attempts to deal with such people is tainted with an unanswered "why bother?". In many cases, stylistic grounds are indeed irrational as seen from the receiver, and the most rational thing in the world by the person arguing them, but it is probably fair to assume that the submitter of a thus rejected patch is in his right to consider the argument irrational, and probably the person who argues with them. On the other hand, the inability to continue to use a style that the code alrady uses may just be irrationally stubborn or ignorant, but it depends a little on how the style evolved. If it is the kind of style that deprecates standard features in favor of a bogus "invention" of the writer, that writer is trying to build a community all of his own, explicitly rejecting the community that the suggester would like to belong to. I find such behavior offensive and good grounds never again to submit code to such people. Fortunately, there are usually only single individuals who are so beyond reach. /// -- Norway is now run by a priest from the fundamentalist Christian People's Party, the fifth largest party representing one eighth of the electorate. -- Carrying a Swiss Army pocket knife in Oslo, Norway, is a criminal offense.