From ... Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news2.kpn.net!news.kpn.net!nslave.kpnqwest.net!nloc2.kpnqwest.net!nloc.kpnqwest.net!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!nreader2.kpnqwest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Subject: Re: I'm outta here... References: <3214866361054904@naggum.net> Mail-Copies-To: never From: Erik Naggum Message-ID: <3215268855995852@naggum.net> Organization: Naggum Software, Oslo, Norway Lines: 25 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:14:17 GMT X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@KPNQwest.no X-Trace: nreader2.kpnqwest.net 1006280057 193.71.66.49 (Tue, 20 Nov 2001 19:14:17 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 19:14:17 MET Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.lisp:20491 * Erann Gat | This is simply not true. The C++ community has vastly more dissent about | its standard than the Common Lisp community. To cite but one example, | look at the C++ FAQ some time. There's a whole litany of features (which | are all part of the standard) that are labelled "EVIL". Are the _features_ marked evil or their _syntax_? Are they _fundamental_ to the language as seen by programmers? Can introductory textbooks on C++ still be used to learn the language they see used in open source code? | So the suggestion that John is going to do irrepairable harm to the Lisp | community by making a disparaging remark about LOOP is not supported by | the evidence. It is not just about loop. However, I am not surprised that you say it is, because you would have had to supoort my point of view if you had focused on if*. So I simply take this intentional misleading comment to mean that you support me on the if* issue. Thank you. /// -- Norway is now run by a priest from the fundamentalist Christian People's Party, the fifth largest party representing one eighth of the electorate. -- Carrying a Swiss Army pocket knife in Oslo, Norway, is a criminal offense.