From ... Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!trev!newsfeed.esat.net!nslave.kpnqwest.net!nloc.kpnqwest.net!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!nreader1.kpnqwest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Subject: Re: On nil qua false [was: Re: On conditionals] References: <3215299538573186@naggum.net> <9tgcpc$3ce$1@news.gte.com> <3215360195434986@naggum.net> <3BFC2BC7.BDD2CEF0@nyc.rr.com> <3BFC3F7F.E31CBAF0@nyc.rr.com> <3BFC6AB7.4B7B99B9@nyc.rr.com> <3BFC92C8.FE1BCD84@nyc.rr.com> <3215551923712524@naggum.net> <87y9ksguai.fsf@teonanacatl.andreas.org> Mail-Copies-To: never From: Erik Naggum Message-ID: <3215865367762047@naggum.net> Organization: Naggum Software, Oslo, Norway Lines: 47 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:56:10 GMT X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@KPNQwest.no X-Trace: nreader1.kpnqwest.net 1006876570 193.71.66.49 (Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:56:10 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:56:10 MET Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.lisp:21080 * Erik Naggum > Get over your personal hangup and just accept the language for what it > is. _Nothing_ will _ever_ happen to the language just because you keep > having these problems. Nobody is interested in your lack of will to > accept the language while you are learning it. * Andreas Bogk | Can anybody explain to me why some people regard the Common Lisp standard | as gospel? Well, why do you regard it as gospel? Why do _you_ think in such terms? Explain this, and you will be much closer to the wisdom you seek. | What happened to the spirit of continuous improvement that has led Lisp | through the decades? The keyword here is "continuous". At some point, some people decided that the only way to achieve improvement would be through discontinuity and revolution, through many meaningless changes they could achieve some small meaningful one. These people have only succeeded in one thing: To instill this meme in so many people that they do not even _try_ to make continuous improvements, anymore. Whey they fail again and again to achieve improvement with their revolutions, they argue that stronger and more powerful revolutions are necessary, when in fact it was the idea that revolutions are necessary that caused them to fail. Smaller egoes and more purpose would have made them succeed, because what they need to succeed with is not to build a whole new world from scratch, but to make those who already live in one to accept their improvements. If they do not, accept that, too, and try again. Accepting defeat is perhaps the only true evidence of personal strength. Refusing to accept defeat and believing that if you only try the exact same thing again over and over you will some day get a different result, is simply the insanity of weak minds that refuse to let go of their one chance at success and greatness. Every bit of progress has cost thouands of setbacks, but each did in fact not set the whole industry back because one did _not_ start from scratch with every "invention". Because of the continuity, one built upon what already existed and found an acceptable way to achieve one's goal until the underlying changes were being made by those who were motivated by the success of the visible changes. /// -- The past is not more important than the future, despite what your culture has taught you. Your future observations, conclusions, and beliefs are more important to you than those in your past ever will be. The world is changing so fast the balance between the past and the future has shifted.