Subject: Re: On nil qua false [was: Re: On conditionals]
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 04:25:21 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Message-ID: <>

* Andreas Bogk
| Can anybody explain to me why some people regard the Common Lisp standard
| as gospel?

* Erik Naggum
> Well, why do you regard it as gospel?  Why do _you_ think in such terms?

* Andreas Bogk
| I don't.  I suggested that you do, based on your "it is the way it is,
| get over with it" argument.

  I repeat: Why do you think in such terms?  Your suggestion is nothing but
  a way to tell the world that you conceptualize in terms of "gospel" and
  other religious terms.  _Why_ do you do this?  What purpose does such a
  conceptualization serve?  What kind of short-circuiting of your thinking
  processes are you satisfied with once you can label someone "religious"?
  I am interested in _why_ you have this conceptualization.  If you do not
  even recognize that in order to accuse somebody else of something when
  lacking evidence of it _from_ those you accuse, i.e., you must recognize
  that the "pattern" you see is your own mental creation, you have to think
  in the terms you accuse them of, please let me know that you do not even
  consider _yourself_ worth listening to, and I shall comply with that.

  There are a few things that are never true of "me", only of "you", in the
  words and opinions and thinking patterns of some people.  Those who make
  that mistake, provide the world with evidence that they cannot consider
  what it would mean for someone for their accusations to be true, hence
  they are worthless nonsense published only to pester and annoy people,
  because they, too, _know_ that it is untrue.

  The past is not more important than the future, despite what your culture
  has taught you.  Your future observations, conclusions, and beliefs are
  more important to you than those in your past ever will be.  The world is
  changing so fast the balance between the past and the future has shifted.