From ... Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news2.kpn.net!news.kpn.net!nslave.kpnqwest.net!nloc.kpnqwest.net!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!nreader2.kpnqwest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Subject: Re: On nil qua false [was: Re: On conditionals] References: <3215299538573186@naggum.net> <9tgcpc$3ce$1@news.gte.com> <3215360195434986@naggum.net> <3BFC2BC7.BDD2CEF0@nyc.rr.com> <3BFC3F7F.E31CBAF0@nyc.rr.com> <3BFC6AB7.4B7B99B9@nyc.rr.com> <3BFC92C8.FE1BCD84@nyc.rr.com> <3215481014063125@naggum.net> <3BFDF255.3153E96F@nyc.rr.com> <87u1vggt5i.fsf@teonanacatl.andreas.org> <3215866242116385@naggum.net> <87r8qkf32t.fsf@teonanacatl.andreas.org> <3215912561196938@naggum.net> Mail-Copies-To: never From: Erik Naggum Message-ID: <3215955227152621@naggum.net> Organization: Naggum Software, Oslo, Norway Lines: 33 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:53:49 GMT X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@KPNQwest.no X-Trace: nreader2.kpnqwest.net 1006966429 193.71.66.49 (Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:53:49 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:53:49 MET Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.lisp:21206 * Ray Blaak | So who are you? Judge, jury and jailer? It is a metaphor, intended to show a particular attitude that has an exact parallel in the real world. Grow a clue, now. | Andreas's real crime here seems to be 1) that he is into Dylan, 2) thinks | it's in the Lisp family, and 3) has the audacity to criticize your | favourite language. Nonsense. He speaks of what he does not know. He also criticizes with no intention of resolving anything. Common Lisp is not being designed at this time, and these things are so fundamental that there is no way his criticism can possibly stop, because they are not going to change. There is no way this person is going to cease his complaints, because he will never be satisfied. Why do you defend such people and activities? | Where *else* can he discuss Lisp's shortcomings in a meaningful manner? | The people who can most intelligently correct the error of his ways hang | out here. No, the error of his ways is that he thinks that a newcomer to town should be _respected_ for disagreeing with the prevailing customs for no better reason than that they are different where he came from. This is fantastically stupid in real life, too, and has a name: "an obnoxious tourist". There is no confusion or error that anybody else can fix. /// -- The past is not more important than the future, despite what your culture has taught you. Your future observations, conclusions, and beliefs are more important to you than those in your past ever will be. The world is changing so fast the balance between the past and the future has shifted.