Subject: Re: Newbie - 2 MORE Small problems?
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 01:29:32 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Message-ID: <>

* Bruce Hoult <>
| Why?  Because I happen to think that there are topics of interest to all 
| people using Lisp-family languages, including Common Lisp, Emacs Lisp, 
| Dylan, Scheme, and Arc.  So there should be somewhere where these topics 
| can be discussed.  comp.lang.lisp is the obvious place for that.  If you 
| disagree with this place, I invite you to name another.

  I disagree with this, but not on your premises.  People who come here to
  preach about "how things are done in D*lan" or "Scheme is elegant and
  does it right" are expressly _not_ trying to aim for that "common ground"
  between all Lisp members, but are idiotic trolls you abuse the ability to
  post anything to any newsgroup even though they have their own playpens
  where such opinionated huffing and puffing is accepted.  comp.lang.lisp
  is not a union of comp.lang.dylan.advocacy or comp.lang.scheme.advocacy.

| Perhaps you'd like a place for the discussion of Common Lisp only.  Then 
| create one.  Call it comp.lang.common-lisp or whatever.

  I am sure such a proposal would get your vote.  Would you promise to keep
  your D*lan propaganda out of comp.lang.common-lisp?  And could we kick
  every single Scheme freak in the groin if they invaded the newsgroup with
  their stupid Lisp-1 and "functional" and "elegance" rhetoric?  Then
  comp.lang.lisp could be that "common ground" between D*lan and Scheme.
  However, the last time I tried to figure out if such a commonality even
  could exist, it looked so much like a black hole I expected a baby
  universe to pop out.

  The notion that the "Lisp family" would enjoy a family reunion is sick.
  Much like people who have gone their separate ways and denouncing their
  heritage when making things "better" in their own particular view, D*lan
  and Scheme have _departed_ from the Lisp family and have made their own
  small families, instead.  This is healthy.  You don't see Java and C++
  and C# folks fill up comp.lang.c because of their "heritage", do you?

  What _is_ it about "Lisp" that makes D*lan and Scheme freaks still want
  to be a member of the family?  All you guys do is denounce Common Lisp.
  You certainly do _not_ discuss issues that are common to the Lisp family.

  In a fight against something, the fight has value, victory has none.
  In a fight for something, the fight is a loss, victory merely relief.