Subject: Re: Newbie - 2 MORE Small problems?
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 06:58:02 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Message-ID: <>

* Bruce Hoult <>
| You don't have to guess what people would like to discuss where.  
| Newsgroups have charters and FAQs which give this information.

  What is keeping you from understanding that D*lan has its own newsgroup,
  chartered and FAQ'ed to be the "home forum" for D*lan users?  Why do you
  have to keep posting here about how D*lan does its things?  Do you not
  trust those who would be interested in D*lan to find it on their own
  accord so you have to constantly remind them of it, like some spamming
  advertiser?  What is it that you cannot understand about newsgroup
  dynamics that makes you _fight_ for a right to annoy people who expressly
  direct you to go back to your D*lan newsgroup?  Why is this something you
  feel you have a _right_ to do?  How would someone be received over in
  comp.lang.dylan if they answered every question with a Common Lisp
  solution to a D*lan problem?  The same goes for Scheme, for exactly the
  same reason.

> This is sheer nonsense.

| Denial is not refutation.

  This is rich.  Nonsense cannot be refuted, you illiterate gnome.

| That's a matter on which reasonable people can disagree.

  Yes, and those who think Nicklaus Wirth did it right are generally in
  comp.lang.dylan and those who think John McCarth was right are generally
  in comp.lang.lisp.

| What is your objection to Dylan's syntax?

  Duh.  That you dropped the fully parenthesized prefix syntax.

| I guess I'm imagining books such as "ANSI Common Lisp" and "On Lisp",
| and the fact that he made a fortune using Lisp.

  Quit the moron act and THINK, goddamnit!

| Until the last year or so I never saw a bad word said about him.

  Could be that he tilted only last year, or you that power of observation
  leave a lot to be desired.  The latter seem fairly obviously a problem.

| Which are far fewer than their similarities.

  That is a matter upon which reasonable men can and do disagree.

  In particular, why is it so important to you to _dismiss_ what I think,
  and to try to _force_ me to accept your gospel as truth?  I _reject_ what
  you tell me about D*lan's "lispness".  _Why_ do you have the facts and I
  am wrong about this?  I am not alone in this regard at all, either, as if
  that mattered to anyone who can think, but numbers appear to matter to
  you.  D*lan is not a big winner in _any_ sense.  So get used to the
  rejection and find consolation among those who agree with you and accept
  your choices.  Over here in comp.lang.lisp we are in fact so tolerant of
  you negative, disrespectful, rejecting miscreants that we even have to
  fight you off because you seem to use each other as rationale for the
  acceptance of your trolling and abuse of this forum for your ill-
  conceived propaganda, completely disregarding the will of residents, and
  the more they object to your behavior, the more you seek vindication for
  your bad behavior and your counter-productive ways, and the more you seek
  to blame those who do not want you to engage in inflammatory nonsense.

  Of all the language newsgroups I read, comp.lang.lisp is the _only_ one
  to suffer obnoxious bastards from other language camps who claim to have
  a "right" to post their trolling and language wars (a.k.a. "information
  and comparison") in another language's newsgroup.  Most people know that
  this is bad, but not D*lan and Scheme freaks.  They must fight for their
  right to troll and incense comp.lang.lisp.  One has to wonder what kind
  of inferiority complex has resulted in this desire to annoy people in a
  hope to be recognized even after they have expressly distanced themselves
  from those from whom they seek acceptance and recognition.

  In a fight against something, the fight has value, victory has none.
  In a fight for something, the fight is a loss, victory merely relief.