Subject: Re: Why I can't use Lisp.
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: 01 Aug 2002 23:14:34 +0000
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Message-ID: <>

* (thelifter)
| It's because there are no good compilers for free.

  It is because you are unable to make money on what you do, and that again is
  because have nothing to offer anyone.  This may be by nature of by choice,
  but you will get nowhere unless you start to think in terms of what the other
  guy wants from you in order to give you want.

| Look at this interesting article:

  It was published in 1991.

| Inspite of all those points I want to use Lisp for a project of mine.

  You have not given us any indication whatsoever why you would benefit from
  using Common Lisp over any other language, why anyone would benefit from
  helping you, nor why anyone would benefit from the work you say you would
  want to do in Common Lisp.  The conclusion is pretty solid: You have nothing
  to offer anybody but a demand that they provide the means for you to have fun.

| I don't have money to buy one of the expensive proprietary systems, so which
| compiler can I use if there is one at all?

  In other words, you have no funding, no competence, and no customers.  Then
  you are unhappy that nobody will support your project at their expense so you
  can reap all the benefits without investing anything other than your time,
  which is evidently not exchangeable for money even if you did something else.
  This lack of ability to delay gratification is alarming.  It means that you
  do not even control the patience to work on something else that will provide
  you the means to purchase a Common Lisp system from which you can make free
  executables and make money off of it, nor the patience to use a personal or
  trial edition to demonstrate to somebody that they should pay for it for you.
| Thanks for any help...

  Have you actually asked the vendors of commercial systems what you could do
  together to solve your "problem"?  I hazard a guess that you have not.  From
  your style and the sheer absence of information, I hazard a guess that you
  are the whining type, meaning that whining has gotten you something and
  somewhere in your past, probably where you are now.  You should realize that
  there is a pretty low upper limit to what you can achieve with whining.  Your
  parents may have caved in to your incessant whining, but that does not mean
  that anyone else will cave in if you only whine long enough.

  If you now feel like defending yourself, you have missed the point entirely.

  BTW, in my book, a "lifter" is a thief.

Erik Naggum, Oslo, Norway

Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder.
Act from faith, and failure makes you blame someone and push harder.