Subject: Re: Rainer Joswig a sample of the con artists the Common Lisp community produces ( Re: thank you all, but...) From: Erik Naggum <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: 11 Aug 2002 14:00:11 +0000 Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.lisp,comp.object,comp.software-eng Message-ID: <email@example.com> * "peter_douglass" <firstname.lastname@example.org> | Hmm. Care to take a sampling of the number of complaints about the hostile | atmosphere in c.l.l and compare it with the number of complaints about the | atmosphere in comp.lang.smalltalk, compl.object or comp.software-eng? | Perhaps you can find newsgroups which will make c.l.l. look welcoming in | comparison. So what? Are those n.g.s healthy? It has become accepted for losers to whine about comp.lang.lisp. Losers copy losers. You have whined about the atmosphere and other losers see this and think it is acceptable to whine about the atmosphere. I am quite sure you saw some other people whine about the atmosphere and thought it would be OK for you to complain about it, too. It is the whining losers who destroy a newsgroup by making it acceptable to whine about the atmosphere. You should really have realized this by yourself, but apparently you feel exempt from affecting the atmosphere. Why do you feel "outside" and need to comment "about" somebody when you are actually posting to a newsgroup? Do you whine about the atmosphere in real life, too? Do you enter pubs and restaurants for no other reason than to complain about the atmosphere there because you have heard negative things about it? Do you travel to other countries, states, cities you hate only to complain all the time you are there? I really do not know what to make of you whining losers, but I think you would be somewhat recalcitrant to engage in this kind of negative marketing in any other forum than comp.lang.lisp. Hence, it is because /you/ whine about the atmosphere in comp.lang.lisp that you see a higher number of such articles. Without /your/ contribution, the number of such articles would be less. Why do you fail to understand your own role? Do you have any suggestion for how anyone can do anything to make you stop whining? That would be constructive. Let us know precisely what you want to see done, and start doing it yourself. If you do not want to do anything to improve the atmosphere, why do you want to do something to worsen it? -- Erik Naggum, Oslo, Norway Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder. Act from faith, and failure makes you blame someone and push harder.