From ... Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!uio.no!nntp.uio.no!ifi.uio.no!not-for-mail From: Erik Naggum Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.scheme Subject: Re: Why learn Lisp Date: 26 Aug 2002 05:28:36 +0000 Organization: Naggum Software, Oslo, Norway Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3239328516484763@naggum.no> References: <3239317481372078@naggum.no> <87znva1cg6.fsf@mithril.chromatico.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: maud.ifi.uio.no 1030339718 2865 129.240.64.16 (26 Aug 2002 05:28:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ifi.uio.no NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Aug 2002 05:28:38 GMT Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.lisp:38781 comp.lang.scheme:13688 * Charlton Wilbur | And even then, designing a new language does not necessarily mean rejecting | all that has gone before. After you know what has gone before, you can be more intelligently creative than when you start out from scratch. | Did Bertrand Meyer discard what he had learned from other languages when he | designed Eiffel? Did Bjarne Stroustrup discard what he had learned from | other languages when he started down the path that led to C++? Did | Kernighan, Ritchie, and Thompson discard what they had learned when they | created C? Of course not. Of course not. Were they 18-year-old whining loners who craved attention for their inventions created in a vacuum? Of course not. Do you know anything worth beans to anyone else when you are 18? Of course not. | Still, it's hardly surprising that comp.lang.lisp doesn't care. So far, the willingness to listen does not even extend to Paul Graham's Arc. Novices with a desire to reinvent the world before they know what it is like should take notice of this. Improving on Common Lisp is /very/ hard. And most of the "improvements" on Scheme are neither improvements nor Scheme. -- Erik Naggum, Oslo, Norway Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder. Act from faith, and failure makes you blame someone and push harder.