From ... Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.bredband.com!bredband!uio.no!nntp.uio.no!ifi.uio.no!not-for-mail From: Erik Naggum Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Subject: Re: The Next Generation of Lisp Programmers Date: 27 Aug 2002 05:08:07 +0000 Organization: Naggum Software, Oslo, Norway Lines: 39 Message-ID: <3239413687264924@naggum.no> References: <3239282082503601@naggum.no> <3239316488198320@naggum.no> <3d69f031.166956420@newsvr> <3239359290565081@naggum.no> <3d6a579e.193433072@newsvr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: maud.ifi.uio.no 1030424888 17178 129.240.64.16 (27 Aug 2002 05:08:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ifi.uio.no NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Aug 2002 05:08:08 GMT Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.lisp:38895 * zivca@netvision.net.il (Ziv Caspi) | 1. It doesn't help you when you're reading printouts. Why do you consider it important that programming languages be optimized for printouts? And what kind of printouts? Line printers with 132-column zebra paper? Does processing with lgrind and printing on 1200dpi laser printers solve your problems? How about color printers? Please let us know how we can solve your printout problems while we continue to read source code on high-resolution graphical workstations with coloration aid and dynamic collapsing and expansion of structure. | 2. Editors can also get confused. Are you arguing against me because you have some misguided notion of perfection such that since my position does not live up to your standard of perfection since you can invent all sorts of bogus non-problems, you should discard it entirely without even thinking about it? /Something/ is clearly confused here. | > Sorry, but this is nonsense. | | Don't be sorry. Rather, explain your position. Is the proper response | to "this is nonsense" is "no, it's not"? I note that you choose to criticize me rather than explain your own position better. You had the opportunity to expand on what you meant and make it make more sense, but chose to address my behavior, instead, which makes me think that you have absolutely no defense whatsoever against my charge that it is nonsense. And as nonsense, it merits absolutely no further comment on my part. It is /your/ position. Deal more productively with rejection. If you post more unproductive articles, I am unlikely to want to respond. -- Erik Naggum, Oslo, Norway Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder. Act from faith, and failure makes you blame someone and push harder.