Subject: Re: LISP - an excercise for experts? From: Erik Naggum <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: 01 Sep 2002 22:33:12 +0000 Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Message-ID: <email@example.com> * "Coby Beck" <firstname.lastname@example.org> | If I did I would. Then do you not voice your supprot for his current behavior by attacking those who criticize it. Or do it by mail so you do not aggravate people by criticizing the critics just because you feel holier than everybody else. | I do not understand people who are so eager to call others idiots and | incompetents. Yes, you do, you only choose to do so on different occasions. You go out of your way to accuse those who do something you do not like of ill will and hostility when nonesuch exists and you exacerbate every conflict situation by attacking those who defend something, making it impossible to establish better relations and to send the proper signals to the troublemakers, on whose side you have consistently placed yourself because you hate people who call others idiots and incompetents so much that you just have to speak up and make even more trouble. | Actually, I do understand it, I just think it is an extremely negative part | of human nature rooted in weakness and cruelty. Yet you prefer to engage in exactly the same tactics against those you think deserve it over doing something constructive. If you do not understand this, you are an even less palatable hypocrite than I already think you are. | It is that part I detest so much in the academic world, the glee people take | in belittling and humiliating others and the false comfort and pride they | take in being accepted and praised by their community. Ah. You are the Revenger against ills that do not exist but which arise out of your hypersensitivity towards past suffering. Your detesting something does not make it come into being. People who are emotionally screwed-up tend to see threats and dangers that are not there because they are reminded of what happened to them in the past and react to their memories, not to the reality in which they actually live. It seems that you are reminded of what you detest so much every time someone speaks up against the /real/ idiots in the world because some /non-idiots/ were unfairly harrassed in your past, and my guess is that that person was yourself. So instead of just letting people speak up against the obnoxious idiots, you sit on your hands until someone speaks up and then you attack that person, instead, making the idiots more welcome and destructive because they have a "supporter" of their cause. Please realize that just because /you/ feel better after elevating yourself above those who criticize others, you have not actually improved anything by criticizing them in worse manners. Your desire to tell people how bad they are reflect on your own personality more than anything else. Other people criticize people for what they /do/ and /stop/ when the actions improve, but you choose to impute ill will and evil intentions to people on a scale that is truly evil because you harbor ill will against people long after you were offended based on your /own/ moralistic view of /them/ beyond what you think they have done. You make the evil mistake of thinking you can do any harm you want to others because of your impression of them. Lynch mobs had that same warped ethics that anything goes as long as you are insanely furious enough about something. And you see your evil in others when they simply criticize others for actions that are /actually/ bad. Your own reprehensible character speaks up against an evil that you should seek to correct primarily in yourself and keep out of public view. | Putting other people down is never about anything accept trying to elevate | your own self image. Your rebellion against this entails putting other people down. You are very obviously on a mission to elevate your self-image when you detest ills that you impute to others and speak up to criticize what is not actually there. | Well, that is off on a bit of a tangent, sorry (and kind of preachy, looking | back over it) but it is true, so I will leave it as is. Your lack of insight is alarming. You do not see the similiarity of yourself to that which you detest. You have even become what you detest in others when you work so hard to put others down for what you believe is putting down, but which is far more honest and less sinister on the part of those /you/ unfairly blame for evils they have not committed. A mere irritation with the presistency of obnoxious lunatics you interpret as an academic put-down intended to elevate the critic. You clearly have issues, my hypercritical friend, but this is not the forum to act on them, or even discuss them. | I think dialogue with ilias could have been salvaged with a few less people | so eager to be rude about it. Then engage in that instead of your standard preaching against those who speak up against the things /they/ do not like when you do that yourself for thing /you/ do not like. Do what you think is right if you desire to speak up against those who do something you think needs to be criticized. This becomes more and more important the more you criticize criticism over actions. You attempt, in effect, to curb people's ability to criticize what they do not like while you reserve that right to yourself. This is a symptom of a troubled soul. Please bother someone else someplace else. That same advice goes to the target of the criticism you scolded. You two have more in common than you like in that regard, too. -- Erik Naggum, Oslo, Norway Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder. Act from faith, and failure makes you blame someone and push harder.