Subject: Re: The toxicity of trolls
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: 27 Sep 2002 03:46:19 +0000
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
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* Tim Bradshaw
| it's quite hard to feel sympathy for our current troll.

  I find this an odd statement.  I am overwhelmed with sympathy for him, which
  is why I want nothing to do with him at all.  It is precisely because this is
  such a sympathy-inducing creature that he has no place in a public forum.
  This is a person about whom I have two unwelcome choices: To care about him
  personally or not care about him or anything he says at all.  Nothing he says
  invites me to respond professionally to his questions.  He asks me to take
  part in his personal life, which is a disgraceful request in public.  It is
  like using the public announcement system of a full football stadium to ask
  someone for a date.  It is not only embarrassing in itself, it puts you in a
  position where you understand that answering in the negative will be a
  terrible blow, and you therefore understand that doing it in public may be
  nothing short of a manipulative move to make you answer in the affirmative
  because you at least feel enough about the stupid requestor to save him from
  a crushing defeat.  In short, I find the overwhelming sympathy obscene.  It
  is for the very same reason that I find street prostitutes distasteful -- it
  is not that they sell their body in a degrading manner, it is that anyone who
  understands what they are doing is forced to either care personally or to
  block any and all sympathy from reaching them, causing either an overwhelming
  personal involvement in the personal tragedy of strangers or a dehumanizing
  lack of emotional response to their plight.  Both are deeply offensive to me.

Erik Naggum, Oslo, Norway

Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder.
Act from faith, and failure makes you blame someone and push harder.