Subject: Re: "Well, I want to switch over to replace EMACS LISP with Guile."
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: 29 Sep 2002 08:06:57 +0000
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Message-ID: <>

* Tim Josling
| [XML] does not define a content model.

  Look, you are repeating this as if it is an argument.  It is like saying that
  Common Lisp does not define an application and shows a lack of insight.

| You can look at a message and see if it is OK which is not possible e.g.
| with ASN.1.

  This is just plain wrong.

| Free/cheap friendly editors exist.

  No difference from ASN.1 here.

| Searching the sgml bib for your name produces 0 hits...

  Why make such a fool of yourself annoying people on purpose?  What is /wrong/
  with you?

| My main beef with XML is that it is very oriented to 'text'.

  Wrong on this count, too.  Do you have /any/ clue what you are talking about?

| Thus the lack of support for binary data, etc.  That just reflects its
| origins.  What do 'text guys' care about binary data, or compaction for that
| matter?

  Enough to make very good to excellent support for it, given the framework.
  XML's /origins/ were SGML and SGML has NOTATION declarations to communicate
  the meaning of non-SGML data held in external entities.  Most XML nuts do not
  understand the entity structure in SGML so reinvent it badly, but generally
  fail so miserably that they should feel ashamed.

  You clearly are clueless and are not at all ashamed to demonstrate it.

| However I don't think anything known to date will solve the problem of making
| programs data independent.  To do that would require creating a universal
| knowledge schema from which all message types could be subclassed or
| otherwise derived.

  *SIGH*  This does not even merit comment.  You are in a /Lisp/ newsgroup, for
  crying out loud!  Why are you posting here?  Did a google search for XML and
  just had to chip in or something?

Erik Naggum, Oslo, Norway                 Today, the sum total of the money I
                                          would retain from the offers in the
more than 7500 Nigerian 419 scam letters received in the past 33 months would
have exceeded USD 100,000,000,000.  You can stop sending me more offers, now.