Subject: Re: CLOS is hard. Let's go shopping  (Was Re: Lisp in Python)
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: 01 Oct 2002 23:42:51 +0000
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Message-ID: <>

* Erann Gat
| Except that you use deliberately inflammatory language so you can't know
| whether they are responding emotionally to your challenge or to your
| language.  Responding emotionally to four-letter words is not a slam-dunk
| indication of insanity.  It's more likely simply an indication of being
| human.

  Contrary to what people who have yet to evolve enough to develop the
  concept of context believe, I do /not/ initiate these fights.  The idiocy
  you keep clamoring about would apply if the "victim" had done nothing
  wrong.  That is simply not the case.  You are so judgmental in your
  moralism that you cannot even /want/ to know how someone else thinks.
  When I see that in a person, I know he has nothing whatsoever to share
  with me.  It is all about how you feel, and you are so staggeringly dumb
  as to believe that other people should adjust to it but not you to theirs.

| > Then why do you only require that /others/ be civilized and not yourself?
| Why do you ask have-you-stopped-beating-your-wife-yet questions?

  I don't.  Please answer the question.  It is a legitimate question, it
  has an answer, and I actually want to know why you are so unable to
  behave well and go on to accuse me of your very own behavior.

| I know that you perceive some of the things I've said to you recently as
| attacks, but you are mistaken.

  When did you ever grant me the freedom to tell you that you are mistaken
  in /your/ conclusions?  Just like that little fuck Ray Blaak, you are so
  monumentally stupid that you actually believe your view is the Truth.

| >   If your "civilized behavior" only apply to people you /like/, it is worth
| >   less than nothing -- it is a /threat/ to civilized behavior everywhere.
| That didn't parse.

  Take a remedial course in English grammer.  Pay particular attention when
  the word "subjunctive" comes up.  Goddamn ignorant.

  Let me know the answer to a couple questions I keep thinking of: Why do
  you think this forum is an appropriate place to discuss your wildly
  misguided notions about me?  Why do you force yourself upon me?
Erik Naggum, Oslo, Norway

Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder.
Act from faith, and failure makes you blame someone and push harder.