Subject: Re: CLOS is hard. Let's go shopping  (Was Re: Lisp in Python)
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: 03 Oct 2002 23:57:52 +0000
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
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* Erann Gat
| The fact that you are so smart makes it all the more annoying that you
| don't realize how counterproductive some of your debating tactics can be.

* Erik Naggum
| What amazes me is that people who know statistics do not realize that
| they are more productive than not.

* Erann Gat
| That is a subjective assessment because it depends entirely on what your
| goals are.

  Look: Erann, I have only so much patience with you and I really thought
  you had started on a dialogue this time, but you have not.  /Your/ view
  is a subjective assessment if anything else is.  Your core
  misunderstanding is that your value judgments are nothing more than your
  personal view, but some absolute truth.  There is a strong element of
  /belief/ in your view that is quite irrational.  You have to understand
  how personal your position is before you can even approach me with such
  an argument.  If your views are The Truth (a comment you stupidly did not
  quite grasp), there is no value in listening to you.  /Real/ truth is not
  the conclusion, it is how you find it.  If you only give other people the
  end result, but refuse to show people how to get there, you are not of
  assistance.  Those who accept things on faith tend to behave this way.
  I regret to see that you are so unwilling to take part in the journey.

| You might be surprised.

  Why insult my intelligence so gravely after you fawned over it in another
  message?  It makes your attempts at compliments sound hollow and
  insincere, to put it mildly.  Consider for a moment that you might be
  wrong.  That would really be the day.  As long as you believe that only
  can be right, you have nothing to offer me or anyone.  Think about it.

Erik Naggum, Oslo, Norway

Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder.
Act from faith, and failure makes you blame someone and push harder.