Subject: Re: CLOS is hard. Let's go shopping  (Was Re: Lisp in Python)
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: 04 Oct 2002 15:14:15 +0000
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Message-ID: <>

* Raffael Cavallaro
| Erik, you managed to prove the point I was making, by example, in the
| very same post.

  No, I did not, I ridiculed your idiotic psychological hangup and intended
  to inflict pain on you in the way you have shown me it works best.  But
  more importantly, I wanted to see if I had to revise my opinion of you,
  and now, thanks to your retarded response, I can conclude: You cannot
  possibly have an IQ above 70.  It is impossible for someone to be so
  stupid as you are without an actual deficit of capacity.  Therefore, I
  apologize for making fun of you in a way you were clearly unable to
  understand.  It is not nice to make fun of people with handicaps, so I
  apologize profusely for doing so.

| Despite your elaborate rationalizations, you completely gloss over your
| own abusive behavior.

  No, I do not.  Before I listen to criticism, I want abusive bastards who
  keep going after me to show me that you can stop doing what you do.  If
  you cannot stop, then you have no reason whatsoever to harangue me for
  your own failures, and you show me that you consider your responses
  appropriate to the stimuli you receive.  So do I for mine.  For some
  reason that is probably sufficiently explained by low IQ, you do not see
  the pattern involved here and think that the substance of what you do not
  like makes such a huge difference that any similarities are to be ignored.

  You make the same same mistake that any other retard does: They think the
  world is no more complex than they can grasp.  You have to have an IQ
  above a certain level to understand that the world is vastly more complex
  than any one person can grasp at any one time.  Some have set that at 85,
  other at 75 (1 sigma = 15).  You fall /way/ below either threshold.  I
  repeat from my previous message: Just because you believe it, does not
  make it fact.  You simply do not grasp this, do you?  That which Raffael
  Cavallaro believes, that also exists.  Therefore, whether you make claims
  about your beliefs or about facts makes no difference to you at all,
  because it is all the same to you.  This is why you actually /believe/ all
  the horrible accusations you pass my way, too, and I can only look at the
  deranged retard who screams at me from a street corner in Berkeley with
  metabolized sympathy -- that residual effect of having felt sympathy,
  except for the feeling of sympathy part.

| There's little point in continuing attempts to persuade you that you'd be
| a much greater asset to the Common Lisp you value so highly if you only
| treated posters to c.l.l better.

  I realize that your low intelligence makes it hard for you to understand,
  but you have to work hard at this particular question: Why should anyone
  do what you think is better?  What gives you the right to demand anything
  of anybody other than yourself?  When you clearly do not demand anything
  of yourself, least of all civil behavior, what you demand of others is less
  than worthless -- you are a parasite.  This is the crucial point that you
  have never been able to understand that has been questioned all along.

  Here's the recipe for actually communicating that civility is valued.  It
  is one of the most difficult things in the world, if we are to watch the
  people who demand it from others, who think that it is not rude to call
  others rude.  Be prepared because this will come as a shock.  The one
  recipe for actually communicating that civility is the desired form of
  human communication is this one simple imperative.  OK?  All well
  prepared for the tremendous force of this recipe?  Here we go, then:

                                 Be civil.

  I know, whoa!, heavy.  But let it sink.  Let it affect you slowly if you
  cannot take it in all at once.  Then actually follow it.  Then save this
  for later, because it will take time to figure out how they are related:
  The one recipe for getting uncivil behavior from other people.  You need
  to know this because you need to know when you have be civil and have to
  resist the urge to say what you think.  Here is the recipe to get uncivil
  behavior from other people.  Now, remember, this is what you should /not/
  do if you want to be /really/ civil to other people.  This can be a heavy
  blow even though you have to save it for later when you have managed to
  internalize the previous heavy rule.  So, again, the recipe for getting
  uncivil behavior from other people, which you should /not/ do, is:

                                Annoy them.

  Please do not post about civility or rudeness or any such thing if you do
  not understand these recipes.  Thank you.

Erik Naggum, Oslo, Norway

Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder.
Act from faith, and failure makes you blame someone and push harder.