Subject: Re: Understanding Erik Naggum
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: 12 Oct 2002 17:21:45 +0000
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
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| This is my last say on this issue.  I do not do something /just/ because
| the others are doing it.

  My point has not been to change your annoying behavior, but to make you
  think. about something you do not agree with.  You show a characteristic
  unwillingness to consider that your opponent's position may be good, and
  instead devote nearly all your effort to defend yourself and claim that
  your opponent's position is no good.  This is fantastically stupid.

  I really wonder why people do such things.  Grasping your opponent's
  position is the first order of business when you wish to understand
  something -- /anything/ that you do not already know.  Instead of
  devoting a modicum of time to realize what your opponent is saying, so
  many stupid people spend all their time distorting their opponent's views
  and if their opponent accurately summarizes their own position as it has
  been exhibited, they attack, that, too, instead of trying to /understand/
  how things work.  Neither are they willing to engage in an intellectual
  exercise in actually understanding what is going on.  Fucking annoying.

| What I do has to "light my fire" as well as satisfy my conscience.

  It is important to follow one's conscience, but those who find that there
  is value in submitting to the will of the community and still work to
  achieve their goals often find that the community is able to sustain and
  accept their efforts.  For some weird reason, people who criticize others
  for things that they clearly succeed with never seem able to /understand/
  the position of their opponent, either.  They behave in the same way you
  do: It is more important to them to satisfy their conscience than to
  accomplishg anything actually /productive/ and /constructive/.  The lack
  of focus on the tasks at hand is quite alarming, actually.  This is what
  I want to know about people I comment on and primarily want to /think/.
  Some people seem unable to think about what somebody else says without
  believing they agree or even "condone" the opponent in a large number of
  other dimensions.  This, too, is very important to know about people.

| That is the reason I am doing my project in Lisp where /all/ the other 84
| people chose C++ or Java (  I have to slog it out
| alone while the other have groups of 4-5 working together.  There were
| "good" thinking folks who said I was a fool to stand out like a nut.
| That I was insane.

  Going alone for its own sake is as wrong as going along for its own sake.

Erik Naggum, Oslo, Norway

Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder.
Act from faith, and failure makes you blame someone and push harder.