Subject: Re: Difference between LISP and C++
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: 24 Oct 2002 19:48:59 +0000
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Message-ID: <>

* Pekka P. Pirinen
| It's best just to ignore Erik Naggum.  You'll be sucked into a mire of
| hostility if you argue with him.

  People who make this argument say something about themselves that smarter
  people than them know well how to interpret.

  The arrogance of people who confuse their opinions with facts is one of
  the things I attack.  You demonstrate quite clearly that there is useful
  distinction between your conclusions and observable reality.  Therefore,
  you are never wrong in your own view, and anyone who counters your claims
  is wrong at best, irrational at worst.  For people who have acquired the
  insight that their conclusions are not identical to reality, but based on
  their limited understanding of a limited part of it at the time, the
  ability to learn from their mistakes follow naturally, as well as their
  ability to deal with people who have observed more or different parts of
  reality than they have.  You clearly lack the prerequisite insight.  This
  has been obvious for years from the snotty remarks you make when you
  think you know the only possible answer and your silence when it becomes
  clear that it was far from the only possible answer.

  People who have learned how to think discover others who share this joy
  and tend to be annoyed with people who have never acquired that skill and
  especially those who consider themselves superior /because/ they believe
  they do not "have to" think, which they consider a dirty practice of
  people who do not automatically know the Truth, like they do.  Pekka P.
  Pirinen has come across as that kind of arrogant ignorant asshole far too
  long to have gone unnoticed as such by those who are /not/ so incredibly
  happy to have found the first answer that they never look any further.

  If you know what you talk about, I listen.  If you do not, and you do not
  listen, either, I may be scathing of your stupidity, because you should
  know better.  Some people never understand what they have done wrong,
  however, because they believe that listening to other people is a waste
  of their valuable time, especially when they prefer their prejudices to
  learning something that may cause them to feel as ignorant as they are.

  Pekka P. Pirinen is one of those lucky men who cannot be taught anything.
  Sadly, he only finds it worth his time to share of his infinite wisdom
  when he can hurt someone with it.  This is the main reason he gets into a
  mire of hostility, like the defectiveness of "Mel" got her into trouble.

  The most tragic part of all is that people like Pekka and "Mel" actually
  believe they are perfect and models for all the rest of mankind and then
  it could not possibly matter to them how evil they are towards others.

Erik Naggum, Oslo, Norway

Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder.
Act from faith, and failure makes you blame someone and push harder.