Subject: Re: S-exp vs XML, HTML, LaTeX (was: Why lisp is growing)
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: 18 Dec 2002 23:45:47 +0000
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Message-ID: <>

* Oleg <>
| \documentclass[letterpaper]{article}
| \bibliographystyle{unsrt}
| \begin{document}
| \begin{S_exp_war}
| Lispers like to flame XML. Now, what is wrong with XML that
| is {\em not} "wrong" with \LaTeX and HTML?
| \end{S_exp_war}
| \end{document}

  If you tried to build a huge information infrastructure on top of
  LaTeX, it would probably be even worse than XML.

  SGML was a good idea as long as it was strictly confined to marking
  up a certain class of documents, whose processing applications were
  clearly restricted in their design.  Making it a meta-language, not
  just an application-specific input language, was not the mistake.
  The mistake that has cost the world billions of dollars was to let
  it escape its confines.  XML is everything that is bad about using
  SGML in the wrong places for the wrong purposes.  It is, in short,
  the worst braindamage that has hit the computing world in a very
  long time.

  I still use SGML to produce documentation.  I dislike HTML and the
  incredible abuse it has seen.  I positively /detest/ XML and the
  disgusting mess it has introduced to the world.

Erik Naggum, Oslo, Norway

Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder.
Act from faith, and failure makes you blame someone and push harder.