Subject: Re: Looking for Lisp compiler From: Erik Naggum <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: 30 Dec 2002 17:40:17 +0000 Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Message-ID: <email@example.com> * Pascal Costanza | wrt (1): This is also the case for some of the regular posters. | Some of them try to defend Common Lisp by all means, and at least | one of them has even stated this as an explicit goal. I fail to | see what this has to do with any notion of "truth". I have never seen that happen. Could you point me to at least a few examples where you believed this to take place? Note that you have a pretty lousy track record of getting people's intentions right and that my willingness to take your word for it when you make this kind of extremely rude claim is exactly zero (and in your inimical style remove every shred of the target of your slander). Your impression is not necessarily the pure and unadulterated truth just because it is your personal experience. You arrive at "conclusions" about how other people feel and what their intentions are, and you annoy the hell out of me, at least, by insisting that you are right about this and that the people you make these claims about shall not correct you. As for the statement of explicit goal, dig it up and quote it. If you have to chicken out of actually naming the people you talk /about/, you indicate to the whole world that you no longer have (if you ever had) any interest in /dialog/ with them, and that is the kind of rudeness you have pretty clearly indicated that /you/ do not like when it happens to others. One would have thought that you, of all people, would at least pay attention to such things, but no. | P.S.: I wonder what Common Lisp vendors think about this situation. No, you don't. You say this only to affect people how people feel. | Or am I overestimating the impact of newsgroups? Yes, and you have still to figure out that this is a /technical/ forum. I doubt that you even know what a technical forum is. | (Some background information: This is my first real newsgroup | experience, and I have only made my first posting in this year's | August. Before that, I have only occasionally touched newsgroups. | So I possibly have wrong expectations...) Not only expectations, but preconceptions that cannot be changed by facts, and you simply /cannot/ keep quiet about them. What makes you think that your behavior is not massively annoying and so scares away much more people than any other cause you think is evil? You go out of your way to post off-topic drivel and make claims about other people that you cannot possibly know, and you are adamant that you are not part of the problem. This fact alone pisses people off. Some people actually /listen/ before they talk and try to grasp the ambiance in a group before they pronounce their judgment and seek to change it to their liking. The other Pascal also fails to do that, As do several past whiners and feelers. This is not a coincidence. Please tell us why you could not control yourself and just /had/ to chip in with your vague, yet specifically /negative/, bullshit. What happened to that philosophy of yours about spewing feel-good crap so people felt included? You demonstrate that you suffer from exactly the same problem you attack others for so cowardly: the incredibly primitive us-vs-them tribal attitude. Upgrade yourself! Become a /thinking/ human being, and grow the hell up so you can start to assume responsibility for your /own/ behavior. Consider whether this forum benefits from yet more drivel from you, or whether it would really be improved a lot more if you shut up about your feelings and acted according to your own rules, instead of demanding that only the people you dislike do that. -- Erik Naggum, Oslo, Norway Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder. Act from faith, and failure makes you blame someone and push harder.