Subject: Re: builtin lists and Intel SSE support? From: Erik Naggum <email@example.com> Date: 24 Jan 2004 08:58:52 +0000 Newsgroups: comp.ai.games,comp.lang.functional,comp.lang.lisp Message-ID: <3283923532054583KL2065E@naggum.no> * Brandon J. Van Every | "It'll take 10 minutes" is bullshit. By the time you actually get | through understanding, designing, coding, testing, redesigning, and | real world shaking out of bugs, it'll take weeks or months. And if | you don't understand that, then you don't code commercially. Then why do you ask people to help you for free? | Or else you are completely insulated from any financial impacts, | i.e. you're someone's employee, and you sit around wasting a lot of | your employer's time and money implementing stupid stuff like that. | Those of us bearing our own development costs, want things | off-the-shelf that save us labor. If any of this pontification was honest, you would already have been able to recognize that you ask people to help you as favor. What kind of person is so much in tune with the «financial impacts» and still goes out in the world and /demands/ that people help him and complain when the help is not to his liking, without offering compensation to those who are willing to help? Your concept of the value of the information you seek is faulty, and the most likely cause is that your concept of the value of the labor you want to be saved from doing is /missing/. If you valued both your own time and that of others, you would step down from the soapbox and find ways to entice people to help you, but now you have angered many of those who could have helped you. You come off not as someone who is financially responsible, but as someone who is strapped for financial resources and therefore turns to other with demands to ease your unfair suffering instead of with offers of remuneration for what you value properly. Trust me, USENET is full of people who are poor and demanding, but fora like this exists because people are willing to share of their tremendous surplus. Those who approach such fora with demands, bring an imbalance to the table that annoys people, because instead of two people sharing of their surplus, the one who has something to share feels taken advantage of when the person he shares with only offers arguments from poverty. If my predictions about you hold true, you will now attack me because you believe you were attacked and will focus your energy on exacting revenge on me for having exposed something uncomfortable about you, and you will focus your energy into feeling insulted and mistreated, instead of understanding that you have been asked politely not to be so demanding of those you ask for help. If my predictions about you are false, you will surprise everybody with an apology for your aggressive and insulting behavior and offer us a better understanding of your actual problem in such a way that people who can think of better ways to solve them than you can, will feel free to either help you or offer you their solutions in exchange for real, hard cash. Which path do you want to follow? Both are equally open to you now. -- Erik Naggum | Oslo, Norway Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder. Act from faith, and failure makes you blame someone and push harder.