From ... Path: bga.com!news.sprintlink.net!redstone.interpath.net!ddsw1!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!trane.uninett.no!nac.no!nntp-oslo.uninett.no!naggum.no!erik From: Erik Naggum Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Subject: Re: Lisp advocacy (Was Re: another take on "C is faster than lisp") Date: 14 Sep 1994 00:19:42 UT Organization: UniNett Lines: 24 Message-ID: <19940914T001942Z.erik@naggum.no> References: <33vlr1$2ud@info-server.bbn.com> <779114796snz@wildcard.demon.co.uk> [Cyber Surfer] | We can see the same behaviour for operating systems, hence the advocacy | newsgroups for OS/2, Windows, and perhaps others, but I can't remember. | I never read them, as I have far better things to do! I've noticed that | opinions rarely if ever change as a result of debating on UseNet, or | any other place. just to second Jeff Dalton on this one. between two debaters, nothing may appear to change, but as soon as you consider the "lurkers", and consider the e-mail that either participant receives, it is obvious that opinions change all over the world from a debate involving strong factual points, even flamefests have positive effects even far removed from USENET itself. don't be tricked into believing that USENET is only those who post here because those are the only ones you see. to take one example: Norwegian politicians recently have referred to statements that have been expressed on USENET about electronic availability of the text of our laws. if this is not changing people's opinions, I don't know what would be! note that they don't post followups. # -- Microsoft is not the answer. Microsoft is the question. NO is the answer.