Subject: Re: superior(?) programming languages
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: 1996/12/22
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Message-ID: <>

* Arthur A. Gleckler
| On the other hand, please avoid clobbering innocent bystanders who are
| observing the fight.

you're absolutely right.  my apologies to Guillermo J. Rozas.

| When you say that you "got one delivered to a client," do you mean that
| you delivered a Lisp environment for Windows that integrates completely
| with arbitrary libraries, or do you mean that you delivered a successful
| program written using such an environment?  In either case, would it be
| possible for others to get hold of that environment?

no.  what I meant was that we got Franz Allegro Common Lisp for Windows
delivered and then spent a day playing with various things we would need
for the application, which still remains to be ported to that environment.
(much of it has been written on my SPARC for CMUCL before we got Allegro,
and the porting effort is mostly due to my accretion of bad habits and my
not kwowing much about Windows.  I ported it to Allegro for Unix in two
hours.)  under Windows (NT), DDE is fully supported; we could talk to other
applications that we need in the project, and WinEmacs talked DDE to
Allegro.  OLE2 is not fully supported, but we managed to talk to some
applications.  we tried linking with a DLL and could list functions, but
the foreign function call interface was sufficiently complex that I didn't
get to call any functions before we had to leave for the day.

my Windows expert was very pleased with what we could accomplish from
inside Allegro, and I don't know the first thing about Windows, so all I
can do is trust his judgment for our needs.

"He didn't care."
"They never do."