Subject: Re: Theory #51 (superior(?) programming languages)
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: 1997/01/29
Newsgroups: comp.arch,comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.scheme
Message-ID: <>

* Erik Naggum
| people like you _make_ me impatient and arrogant.

* Christopher Oliver
| Wrong.  You and only you are responsible for the behavior you show in
| a given situation.  Don't dream to shift the blame.  Your manners are
| your responsibility alone.

sigh.  I knew some fool had to come forward the second I had posted that
sentence.  _cause_ and _responsibility_ are two fundamentally different
properties of actions.  this is obvious for anyone who pauses to think and
does not immediately jump on the "mommy, he's so _arrogant_!" bandwagon.
just get over it.  not everybody in this world will be to your liking, and
if that includes me, I'm just too happy to return the favor.  and just for
the stupid record, nobody was shifting any _blame_ -- just because you
don't get it doesn't mean it's "wrong" or that you're "right".

* Erik Naggum
| in case you wish to change something, change the cause, not the effect.
| in other words: shut up.

* Christopher Oliver
| This sort of outburst does nothing for your credibility.  I seem to
| remember words such as "I may not agree with what you say, but I will
| defend to the death your right to say it."

look, you fool, if he can _give_ advice, the least he can do is take it.
in your case: at least be annoyed with something that has some semblance of
relevance to the newsgroups you post to, OK?

it's funny when people use that quotation in the _second_ person, not even
realizing it is in the _first_.  but since you're grand-standing about
defending people's right to spout nonsense: how come you don't defend _my_
right to say what I say?  it's pretty damn easy to "defend" something when
you agree with it or you can hide behind some misguided idea of "the little
guy", right?  if you really had anything going for you in that credibility
department, you would defend something you were upset about, not something
you already felt morally obliged to defend from the outset.  think about
it.  and take a look at that fine quotation of yours in the _first_ person.

| This is not sound forensic discourse.

so do something constructive about it!  dammit, if all you can do is
complain that others do something not to your liking, you have only
yourself to blame for not doing something that _would_ be to your liking.

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