Subject: Re: why we aren't using lisp (was New to Lisp)
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: 1999/06/21
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Message-ID: <>

* (Christopher R. Barry)
| From the GNU Manifesto:

  you seem to live in a world where kids know everything and people twice
  your age know nothing.  if you want to underline this impression, please
  keep quoting well-known texts to prove that you think your opponents form
  their opinions out of ignorance of them.

| Now RMS is saying a "good citizen" does not use "destructive means" to
| become wealthier.

  do you disagree with this?  do you understand that _precise_ agreement on
  what "destructive means" are is impossible to obtain in any society?  and
  why do you give your opponents so much control over your own opinions?

| And since Franz, Autodesk, and myriad other companies use such
| "destructive means", their employees are thus not "good citizens"
| according to RMS.  I'd say that's an attack, if I ever saw one.

  these are the ravings of paranoid lunatic.

| But that's not going to happen any time soon, and there are people that
| need to have good paying jobs and security now, and students that will
| need to soon.

  when your shrink and you have worked out what you are _really_ afraid of,
  let's get back to this discussion.  until then, it is clear that you are
  quite irrational and have lost basic contact with reality.  let me just
  say: you are not under attack by anyone.  you are not in any present or
  future danger of losing your livelihood.  you are not in danger of being
  unable to recover the costs of your education.  at least not because of
  the GPL or the FSF or RMS in particular.  the changes you will observe in
  society because of their activity will affect you only if you let them
  and then only if you fail to respond rationally to them.  and _that's_
  what you have to work on.

  and to make it harder for you to write me off as a free software lunatic:
  I want access to source code, both to understand and to fix problems, and
  I see no problem in signing license agreements to get this access, but I
  have no desire to lose control over my own creations.  therefore, I don't
  publish any of my software under the GPL and I don't use GPL'ed source in
  my own original work, but I also don't see any problems with working on
  GPL'ed source with others.  now, take your gripes to gnu.misc.discuss if
  you have any other comments on free software, OK?

@1999-07-22T00:37:33Z -- pi billion seconds since the turn of the century