From ... From: Erik Naggum Subject: Re: [executables] was: why Haskell hasn't replaced CL yet? Date: 2000/02/28 Message-ID: <3160693945479201@naggum.no>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 590680340 References: <38b991aa.20018655@judy> mail-copies-to: never Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@eunet.no X-Trace: oslo-nntp.eunet.no 951705389 9417 195.0.192.66 (28 Feb 2000 02:36:29 GMT) Organization: Naggum Software; +47 8800 8879 or +1 510 435 8604; fax: +47 2210 9077; http://www.naggum.no User-Agent: Gnus/5.0803 (Gnus v5.8.3) Emacs/20.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Feb 2000 02:36:29 GMT Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp * Tim Bradshaw | So I'd like to turn this around: why does anyone *care* about a sub-1Mb | standalone application any more? that's simple, Tim: because they want to keep their myths alive and well. "Lisp is big and slow" is not a fact, it's a religious belief. you can't turn people's religions around with facts. if people deep down trust that this is the reason Lisp doesn't win, they'll return to it every time Lisp doesn't win, true or not, supported by evidence or not -- it's just how they "feel", anyway. most people have only one _real_ desire in their life: to feel safe in the correctness of their beliefs. the only way to make this happen is to hand them something obviously better and correct to believe in while you burn down whatever it was they considered safe thoroughly. consider this a theory of the ecology of ideas, where the winning ideas are like predators sneaking up on whoever feels smugly safe. there will be a lot of screaming and shouting while the stale ideas are killed and their proponents act like scared monkeys, but afterwards, you won't have a problem with stale ideas resurfacing. sadly, the Lisp community has not been willing to kill off the idiotic ideas with sufficient force, and when I try, a whole bunch of monkeys scream so much it's time to call the Discovery Channel crew and film them. #:Erik