Subject: Re: Who used the "D" word?
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: 2000/03/16
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Message-ID: <>

* Coby Beck <>
| This is rather ironic considering the source.

  it's stuff like "considering the source" that defines "ad hominem", dude.

  don't you at least find it kinda funny that you're the one committing
  this error in argument while you're _pretending_ to be concerned about
  proper form and expression?  you know, here's my understanding of why you
  react: it has to be "unpleasant" for you to react to something, while
  "pleasant" insults and ad hominems are perfectly OK, indeed so OK that
  you find yourself more than willing to use them to "fight" unpleasantness.

| But i don't think a certain level of meta-discussion is out of line when
| so many very bad feelings fly around in any group of people.

  be a smart lad, now, and consider the _overwhelming_ probability that the
  "bad feelings" _you_ see are figments of _your_ imagination and artefacts
  of how _you_ interact with the world and thus imagine that others do,
  too.  basically, the only serious mistake you can make about other people
  is to believe you can put yourself in their place.  moralism is all about
  making this mistake and being self-righteous about it.

  a piece of advice, though, since you're into this bad feelings business:
  just because you, a bystander, feel obliged to feel bad on behalf of
  someone else, doesn't mean anyone else is actually feeling anything like
  you do, particularly not anyone who is actually _involved_ in what you're
  just looking at and not understanding because you're responding to them
  by _purely_ emotional means (which is, before you deny it, evidenced by
  the lack of _anything_ outside of your displeasure with the form that
  causes your negative reactions).  you thereby _introduce_ bad feelings
  into this frail equilibrium.  which is really brilliant, since it proves
  your point and virtually removes the possibility of proving you wrong,
  which moralists get _so_ immensely upset when they are, which makes them
  even more eager to project their dismal world view on everybody else.