From ... From: Erik Naggum Subject: Re: DEAR ERIK: Date: 2000/04/23 Message-ID: <3165478157379052@naggum.no> X-Deja-AN: 614601504 References: <390271D1.751D84C6@san.rr.com> mail-copies-to: never Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@eunet.no X-Trace: oslo-nntp.eunet.no 956492030 3708 195.0.192.66 (23 Apr 2000 12:13:50 GMT) Organization: Naggum Software; vox: +47 8800 8879; fax: +47 8800 8601; http://www.naggum.no User-Agent: Gnus/5.0803 (Gnus v5.8.3) Emacs/20.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Apr 2000 12:13:50 GMT Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp * Courageous | Out of respect for this poster's wishes, I am willing to | do so. Are you willing to cease insulting me, calling | me names, and ridiculing my screen name? amusing. _I_ have given you that opportunity on too numerous occasions, already, but you have failed to seize it at every such opportunity, much preferring to continue to harrass me, accuse me of malice that is of your own imagination, and attacking me. you see none of your own actions, and see evil no matter what I do. now you have the fucking _gall_ to pretend to be nice. how utterly distasteful. how utterly in character for you. don't pretend that I'm perpetuating this, please. just shut the fuck up, Joe Kraska, and you won't hear from me. it's your persistent insistence on casting me as an abuser, yourself as a sorry, hapless victim, and your lies, misrepresentations, and outright abuse of this forum which has kept this going. you have been asked to cease with the _actions_ that I have criticized, yet you have continued with a vengeance. you could just have stopped when I asked you to. you didn't. you haven't. I don't think you will, either, especially after trying to glorify yourself. if you had just shut up long ago, none of this would have taken place. when you realize that and your own important role, you will have learned quite a lot about how victims come to be and how they define their _own_ abusers. just stop playing the "victim" who feels morally obliged to spit at his "abusers", and you won't need any "correction", either. stop blaming other people for your very personal problems in dealing with cricticism of your actions, and you won't see any abusers or yourself as a victim. I have already stated that nothing more needed to be said about you -- you were not smart enough to realize that that was an offer you could grasp, and so you continued with your moronic blathering. I'll _believe_ that you have shut up when I have not seen any more such blathering from you. in short: I'll cease "insulting" you by calling attention to the facts, calling you names you deserve to be called, and ridiculing your "screen name" when you no longer do anything that cries out for it. it's your call. understand that, please. I'm not after _you_, and I never have been, but you have consistently been after me. realize that. now. I have asked you dozens of times to cease with a specific set of actions -- you haven't; instead you have attacked _me_, and you have been after _me_ with characterizations, abuse, lies, and false attributions. _you_ could cease with your actions and be free or any charges. the lies and the malice that emanates from you is boundless and unconditionational. I refuse to take part in such lop-sided ethics with a psychotic moron such as Joe Kraska, who on top of this sees himself as morally obliged to do just about anything to those he considers "bad". you _have_ to take responsibility for this, and you _have_ to understand that this has been in consistent need of harsh correction. you have equally consistently failed to understand that you do _anything_ wrong, even when you have been presented with hard evidence that your _excuse_ for going after me with your idiocy was a refusal to understand a fairly simple sentence. I can only imagine how much else you have failed to understand and will never understand because it proves too much about you. I don't want to know, however, I just want you to shut up and go away. just cease with your despicable actions towards me, and you won't see any reactions to the actions you have ceased committing. there's no need to ask for anything, there's no need to don a halo and pretend that you're being nice to anyone else. just shut the fuck up with _your_ abuse. incidentally, you lost the right to be morally outraged at _anything_ I have done to you the second you proved that you have attributed malice to me from a refusal to understand what I wrote to you. the malice you see is evidently produced in your own mind with very weak ties to reality. put a lid on it. shut up. don't lie and misrepresent others. listen _more_ carefully when you're angry than when you're not. don't attribute malice to others when you feel you need to demonize _your_ victims. because when you do demonize, you prove that you are fighting against imagined characters, not real people, and it becomes necessary to point out what you're doing, because while you don't like to be called a moron for your systematic actions, you need to understand, deep down in your psyche, that you cannot at the same time react by accusing others of actions they have in fact never committed and expect to get away with it. be smart, now, and don't follow up to this. just think. then shut up. if you don't shut up now, which I expect you can't, remember that it is your very own choice to continue. I'll keep reminding you, and what it means about you. incidentally, you _could_ just have shut up without writing any moronic "Dear Erik" message. please realize that, too. #:Erik