Subject: Re: Deep copy in lisp: how? From: Erik Naggum <erik@naggum.no> Date: 2000/04/24 Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Message-ID: <3165558802528023@naggum.no> * "Coby Beck" <cbeck@mercury.bc.ca> | I have yet to see one coherent justification for supporting Erik's abuse. I have yet to see one coherent justification for the abusive behavior I'm _criticizing_. in fact, the reason for your "allowing" me this is that none of you would tolerate what I'm criticizing. that's why you don't even _start_ pestering me until you're very safe that whatever nuisance I'm trying to get rid of is about to be gotten rid of for good. just admit it: _you_ don't want Joe "Courageous" Kraska here, _either_. I'm doing the dirty work you don't want to do, and when I succeed, you think I overdid it, but think back, carefully: why was so much force necessary? consider whether you understand the alternatives: do you really _want_ a newsgroup full of morons who post false information, idiotic guesswork, homework exercises and (stupid or severely misguided) "solutions"? which other newsgroups have I frequented and which have maintained a supremely high technical level in the past? which other newsgroups have seen their technical level _raised_ because of what the fools call "abuse" of the mindless pestilence that invades USENET from time to time? which other newsgroups have deteriorated shortly after I stopped caring about the false information, the blathering idiots, and the destruction of the ability to discuss technical matters that only a small portion of the audience can follow? maybe you should start thinking about such things? previously, your imagination had run amuck and conjured up the sick image of this going on in real life. I'm amazed that this is possible, because it indicates a complete and utter lack of contact with reality: a person such as Joe "Courageous" Kraska is a nuisance in real life, too, and will get reprimanded whenever he disturbs a group of people. go back and read the _start_ of this thread. _who_ would have been thrown out of a public meeting? now, use your imgination _productively_ and think long and hard about why it doesn't work to throw some people out of _virtual_ meetings. what do those people do? in brief, to what do I _respond_? if you don't even _see_ that, you have no business criticizing anyone for anything. and... taking sides after the war is over is pretty damn stupid. if you want this to end, just shut up about it, and it'll go away. if you want this not to start again, help avoid _recurrences_. it's just incredibly stupid to want something to end in the middle if you don't help it not to _start_ and even more stupid if you help fuel the flames. however, such is the moronic blathering of my _critics_. they have no concept of what they want or don't want until _long_ after they could have any _possible_ effect on anything. it's the annoyingly mindless "can't we all just get along?" all over again. if we could, Joe Kraska would have gotten the idea the first time around. if we could, anyone who wanted some moron to stop needed post only _one_ message to get results. clearly, this is not the case _anywhere_. so quit dreaming. deal with reality -- a reality that has a certain percentage of morons. help get rid of them _before_ they do their damage. and _don't_ support them afterwards. can I trust that you'll help me avoid recurrences of any future invasion of morons, Coby? or can I trust that you will instead stand up for each and every blathering moron and proclaim your support at the _earliest_ possible convenience and then stand by them through _all_ their actions and ensuing stupidity so that you can actually _fall_ with the guys you support? you see, Joe "Courageous" Kraska now actually believes that you _support_ him and condone _his_ behavior, from his question and first moronic article in response to the first rejection to his moronic "Dear Erik" message. if you will neither help avoid recurrences _or_ support the morons the next time around, please be smart and don't jump into the middle of the fray only when it looks like the moron could _finally_ go away, because the moron will stay _much_ longer when you do that, and thus you help _perpetuate_ what you pretend you don't like to see happen. _think_ about this. please. and if your anger blinds you, shut up, instead. #:Erik