From ... From: Erik Naggum Subject: Re: Access the the second return value? Date: 2000/06/28 Message-ID: <3171224965405537@naggum.no>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 640371268 References: <3959B48D.835EA63E@spam.com> <87aeg65h7a.fsf@q-software-solutions.com> <3171189838798439@naggum.no> <3171206428191286@naggum.no> mail-copies-to: never Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@eunet.no X-Trace: oslo-nntp.eunet.no 962280989 2846 195.0.192.66 (29 Jun 2000 12:16:29 GMT) Organization: Naggum Software; vox: +47 8800 8879; fax: +47 8800 8601; http://www.naggum.no User-Agent: Gnus/5.0803 (Gnus v5.8.3) Emacs/20.7 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jun 2000 12:16:29 GMT Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp * Johan Kullstam | except for CLOS which affixes -p no matter what. Um, where does CLOS do that? | which is your (and probably the majority's) opinion. it's also | somewhat of what you are used to. changes are usually unwelcome. | gratuitous change more so. Well, I have made it the biggest issue of my life and carreer to be able to sustain dramatic changes with a minimum of personal cost. This has certain costs of its own, which would be unwelcome to people who prefer _most_ things to be practically static in their life, but staying on top requires so much adaptability to change that I consider "changes are usually unwelcome" to be a dumb thing to say in our time. 10 years ago, it would make much more sense as a general statement for our part of the culture, but the world has, well, changed a lot in 10 years, and sticking to old stuff is the hallmark of unemployed or retired IT specialists. The morale of this gripe is simply: Don't assume that people are so unable to deal with change that they will use it as an argument against anything. Chances are that anyone who makes a reasonably good living in information technology these days have to deal with a rate of change that would probably drive someone literally insane in the 70's. Incidentally, I recommend Alvin Toffler: Future Shock to anyone who think adapting to change is too expensive. Oh, and as an irrelevant side-note: The the kinds of things that _don't_ change bug me the most. Stupidity, for instance. #:Erik -- If this is not what you expected, please alter your expectations.