From ... From: Erik Naggum Subject: Re: What case problem is Franz trying to solve? Date: 2000/11/10 Message-ID: <3182877325118372@naggum.net>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 692176238 References: mail-copies-to: never Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@eunet.no X-Trace: oslo-nntp.eunet.no 973892130 14446 195.0.192.66 (10 Nov 2000 21:35:30 GMT) Organization: Naggum Software; vox: +47 800 35477; gsm: +47 93 256 360; fax: +47 93 270 868; http://naggum.no; http://naggum.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.0803 (Gnus v5.8.3) Emacs/20.7 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Nov 2000 21:35:30 GMT Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp * Barry Margolin | This seems like something you would have had to address in your "modern" | Lisp configurations. Have you? Or is this the breakage that Erik is | fuming about? Well, I'm "fuming about" another breakage, that the support for case insensitivity via readtable-case was broken to get base sensitivity by default, but yes, this is another breakage that has "bad engineering" written all over it. That you can't refer to symbols with their standard upper-case names if you run in a "Modern" Lisp is a serious problem. Now, there are absolutely no problems combinging the two "modes" -- just like case sensitivity and insensitivity can co-exist in the same image. _Something_ caused Franz Inc not to pursue that venue and I'm not sympathetic to what I'm beginning to understand that that "something" is: _no_ interest in or commitment to make extensions within the standard framework when at all possible, but instead taking an easy way out that does not require implementing the standard fully. #:Erik -- ALGORITHM: a procedure for solving a mathematical problem in a finite number of steps that frequently involves repetition of an operation. ALGOREISM: a procedure for solving an electoral problem in a finite number of steps that frequently involves repetition of an operation.