Subject: Re: What I want from my Common Lisp vendor and the Common Lisp community
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 18:56:04 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Message-ID: <>

* (Erann Gat)
> But why sbould they have to be shown what it feels like to be denounced?
> They didn't denounce *you*, they denounced (a tiny part of) a programming
> language.

  No, Erann, that is where you are wrong.

> Your behavior reminds me of a child on a schoolyard playground.

  I am quite sure it does.  Children in schoolyard playgrounds also appeal
  to a sense of justice, they have an elaborate sense of fairness, and they
  believe in such trivial things as standardization processes.  What things
  remind you of says something very fundamental about yourself.  If I were
  you, I would have chosen to tell people I was reminded of something else.

> Someone makes a disparaging comment about your favorite toy, and you
> respond by hitting them and throwing a tantrum.  You've been throwing
> these tantrums for years now.  Have they helped?

  This is the level at which you would operate.  I am so glad I am not like

> Let me try to short-circuit some of this conversation by anticipating
> your answer.  You are going to say something along the lines of: "Yes,
> they've helped, because they drive away fucking morons like you, Erann
> Gat, who clutter up this newsgroup with mindless drivel about politeness
> and false accusations of neo-naziism."

  Amazing.  What kind of immature behavior does _this_ remind you of?

> Fine.  (You're right, by the way.  You actually did drive me away.) 
> But while you mold this newsgroup into your perfect little cadre of
> Erik Naggum sycophants the language you claim to love so much is
> withering and dieing, and you don't even notice.  You talk about "the
> Lisp vendors."  Well, I've got news for you, Erik Naggum: there is
> only one Lisp vendor left.  All the others are out of business.

  I am so delighted that you actually managed to get the ideas I tried to
  communicate and were not stuck in your old rut and just dug up some old
  dirt you could throw at me.  That would have been so -- childish.

> You are wrong, Erik Naggum.  Do you really think C++ and Java thrive
> because people love them?  Ridiculous.  Languages thrive because people
> *use* them, not because people love them.  So Erik, please stop trying to
> convince people to love Common Lisp.  Your brand of love is poison.

  I love you, too, Erann Gat.  Now, is your recess over, yet?