Subject: Re: What I want from my Common Lisp vendor and the Common Lisp community
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 09:29:56 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Message-ID: <>

* Erann Gat
> I think Eric R. has it right, and Erik N. has it exactly backwards. 
> Lisp's problem is not that people don't love it enough.  Quite the
> contrary: Lisp's problem is that people love it too much, but don't
> use it nearly enough.

  From your other _mature_ behavior, it seems likely that your sole point
  is to reduce my credibility out of personal reasons, which I think people
  will see when they read your articles, but this is even more disingenuous
  than your regular batch of insincerity.

  The point I tried to raise, and which people who do not hate me seem to
  have been able to grasp quite easily, is that the _reason_ Common Lisp is
  not used is that people in the Common Lisp community produce a continuous
  stream of negative remarks about the language and the standard and about
  its viability.  You do that, too, Erann Gat.  People do not start to use
  something they hear everybody else express doubts, fear, hatred towards.
  People who love parts of Common Lisp and not the whole language, will not
  use it, either.  "I love Common Lisp, _but_ <reams upon reams of reasons
  not to use it>" do not really love Common Lisp, it is simply an insincere
  way of expressing one's dislike for something.  It is just as hollow as
  "Oh, I love California, but I would not want to live there".  That you do
  not understand the hollowness and the insincerity is no surprise, though.

  It also seems that you completely missed the point that people who hate
  their work cannot be trusted to do quality work.  Gee, I wonder why.