From ... Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!npeer.kpnqwest.net!nreader1.kpnqwest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Subject: Re: What I want from my Common Lisp vendor and the Common Lisp community References: <3208226254834485@naggum.net> <867kvke4iz.fsf@gondolin.local.net> <3208254606019619@naggum.net> <1f4c5c5c.0108311044.2399e124@posting.google.com> <1f4c5c5c.0108312034.1b1e140a@posting.google.com> <3B90FFF8.93BC4EEC@nall.com> Mail-Copies-To: never From: Erik Naggum Message-ID: <3208350741532252@naggum.net> Organization: Naggum Software, Oslo, Norway Lines: 23 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 16:32:22 GMT X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@Norway.EU.net X-Trace: nreader1.kpnqwest.net 999361942 193.90.205.124 (Sat, 01 Sep 2001 18:32:22 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 18:32:22 MET DST Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.lisp:15340 * Joe Nall -> Erann Gat > On a philosophical note. You are creating the problem, not describing > it. Some people will search google and see your ignorant, denigrating > comments about Digitool and Corman and not buy well supported, good > products. That is _precisely_ the danger of the alarmists, negativists, and other naysayers! It really irks me when I go search for Common Lisp on the Net and mostly find negative things said about it, especially by people of good reputation. When professional people I suggest Common Lisp do this, they start to wonder. I work with a large Norwegian law firm right now, and they were flabbergasted that I had used Common Lisp. Not at first, because against tremendous odds, we made into production in record time for hardware supplier, ISP, web design, SSL certificates, secure servers, you name it -- two weeks from first phone call to operational is *fast*. But then, _excited_ about this unknown Common Lisp that got them there in time, one of their senior staff looked for Common Lisp on the Net. You can do this yourself and be sufficiently alarmed, but think carefully about what it does to a senior lawyer. Suffice to say that the first bug he found caused a major crisis of trust instead of a simple bug report, and of course it was a user error to begin with. ///