From ... Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!134.222.94.5!npeer.kpnqwest.net!nreader1.kpnqwest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Subject: Re: What I want from my Common Lisp vendor and the Common Lisp community References: <3208226254834485@naggum.net> <867kvke4iz.fsf@gondolin.local.net> <3208254606019619@naggum.net> <1f4c5c5c.0108311044.2399e124@posting.google.com> <1f4c5c5c.0108312034.1b1e140a@posting.google.com> <87vgj32wfr.fsf@xeno.localhost> <6wn14fypat.fsf@serveur2-1.labri.u-bordeaux.fr> <87bskvexie.fsf@xeno.localhost> <6welpqpslf.fsf@serveur2-1.labri.u-bordeaux.fr> Mail-Copies-To: never From: Erik Naggum Message-ID: <3208367526030969@naggum.net> Organization: Naggum Software, Oslo, Norway Lines: 27 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 21:12:06 GMT X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@Norway.EU.net X-Trace: nreader1.kpnqwest.net 999378726 193.90.207.215 (Sat, 01 Sep 2001 23:12:06 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 23:12:06 MET DST Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.lisp:15359 * Robert STRANDH > Hard to say. But I do know that when I switched from Scheme to Common > Lisp, things worked much better. The students are very sensitive to > credibility. Scheme is just not credible in the eyes of the students. I > got into eternal discussions about speed of implementations, the > necessity of adding your own object system, lack of required numeric > types, etc. When I listened to my own arguments, they did not sound > convincing. This is extraordinarily interesting! I expect serious professionals to see through the Scheme propaganda, but if students do it, it is great! There is perhaps enough material for a conformance paper on this, and if so, I would love to hear you speak about it. > The ones that "get" Lisp, and especially the ones that become passionate, > are the very best students. People who become passionate about C or C++ > are more the ones that have a need to be members of a club at the > exclusions of others, with no real technical reason why. This matches my own experience to a t. I thought I was alone, however. > This is all based on informal observation. And it is average behavior, > of course. Sometimes, that is all we have, but it is nonetheless interesting to hear. ///