From ... Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!npeer.kpnqwest.net!nreader2.kpnqwest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Subject: Re: Where's your Lisp software, Janos Blazi? References: <3b97d110_1@news.newsgroups.com> <87elpjn19q.fsf@nkapi.internal> Mail-Copies-To: never From: Erik Naggum Message-ID: <3208854140355067@naggum.net> Organization: Naggum Software, Oslo, Norway Lines: 33 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 12:22:22 GMT X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@Norway.EU.net X-Trace: nreader2.kpnqwest.net 999865342 193.90.207.240 (Fri, 07 Sep 2001 14:22:22 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 14:22:22 MET DST Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.lisp:15834 * Tim Bradshaw > We've just been through a huge bubble where everyone threw money at > anything vaguely high-tech. One of the side-effects of this is that > there has been so much money floating around that people in the right > industries didn't really have to do any work, or not work they got paid > for. So they started doing other stuff at random, like churning out > software for free. They even started inventing reasons why free software > was economically viable, based ultimately on their experience of all this > huge money they had to wade through all the time. Interesting analysis. I think there is an additional issue involved: marketing. Businesses give a way freebies all the time and pay for this over their markting budgets. A lot of free software is simply marketing for some "ulterior motive", such as is consulting, books, speeches, etc, and as such it might even work, if you can get the volume and excitement up about something. This is not relevant in the "hobbyist" end of the spectrum, obviously. Other than that, there is the obvious "preempt the whole market so nobody else can get in"-approach where a company gives away stuff for free to hurt their known and unknown competition. I am strongly negative to this type of "free" software. I think the problem with free software has become the expectations among users that they should be able to make loads of money using free tools. It is therefore appropriate that those who build on free tools also give away the results, and those who pay for their tools charge for theirs. But as has always been the case, even when you got system software "for free" with some hardware, whether you get source code with a product is orthogonal to whether you can redistribute the product or the source or talk to people about it who do not have a proper license. I am annoyed that the open source/free software communities have attempted to destroy this very important distinction. ///