From ... Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!134.222.94.5!npeer.kpnqwest.net!nreader2.kpnqwest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Subject: Re: market research--what would be "cheap enough"? References: <3B9AC674.7ECDF87D@alltel.net> <3B9CD9B1.9030606@purdue.edu> Mail-Copies-To: never From: Erik Naggum Message-ID: <3209135302101586@naggum.net> Organization: Naggum Software, Oslo, Norway Lines: 37 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:28:22 GMT X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@Norway.EU.net X-Trace: nreader2.kpnqwest.net 1000146502 193.90.206.132 (Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:28:22 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:28:22 MET DST Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.lisp:16077 * Nels Tomlinson > This kind of trouble doesn't exist with libre software. That is not true at all. Software rot is real: When the environment changes, you still need to keep it running. Your Osborne example would just as much out of luck with source as he is without. > Odds are that someone will port linux and the bsd's to every new platform > to come. along for a long time to come. Given that, porting my favorite > appication becomes thinkable. I doubt that. Have you see how much changes from release to release in Linux? Anyone who wrote a real application would have to work hard to stay on top of these changes. Duane Rettig of Franz Inc has written several good articles about Allegro CL on Linux here about these problems. > Black box methods just don't fit well with the scientific method. I do not think that statement fits well with the scientific method. > To top it all off, we see the sort of mess that the city of Virginia > beach got into; they lost some of their receipts for some of their > software, and so had to pay for it again, and had to pay some large fines. From a single data point you can extrapolate in any direction. People have lost the only sources to their software, too. It is important to remember that accidents are just that. > Overall, closed source software has a LOT of problems, and the fact that > the libre stuff is often better is the least reason to prefer it, in the > long run. If the free Lisp stuff was better, it would probably kill the commercial offerings, but the free offerings for Lisp are very, very poor compared to the commercial software. This is why Franz Inc. can survive at all. ///