Subject: Re: Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Encyclopedia
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 12:23:38 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
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* Thomas F. Burdick -> Espen Vestre
| Got it, so you're saying you're ignorant of a language which is very
| difficult to fully understand, and you're taking other people's word
| on it that it's not that powerful or expressive.

  What he actually _said_ was that he took the pattern literature as
  evidence of its lack of strength and expressiveness.  I happen to agree
  that the need for patterns shows a significant weakness in C++.

| Since you seem to be in the business of taking people on their word,
| maybe you should take me on mine and doubt the ability of the doubters
| to fully use C++.

  I tend to believe that the patterns people he actually referred to are
  not doubters, but people who try to make using C++ easier for people.

| Some of these "highly skilled" C++ people *would* fully understand CL if
| they put the same amount of effort into it, but C++ takes a lot more.

  Hence my saying: Life is too long to be good at C++.  But is a language
  really expressive if it takes a lifetime to become fluent in it?  Is not
  "expressiveness" a function of the invested effort required to achieve

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